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Gas Out

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So theres only one part of this revision I dont entirely agree with, with the coin purse its obvious you are targeting ardy knights. I dont mind the nerf, but the "coin purse" damages proper players more, I think adding uncut gems at 1/5 or 1/10 drop rate would mean we can walk away with our mice and have approximately 5 mins before we have to come back

17-Mar-2018 05:09:29

Miu

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Death mechanics: I prefer the way things are pretty much now. Maybe you could have items appear for other people for a few minutes before they're destroyed. That's all I feel about it, really.

Words from the Support Team: Hope to see something like this in regards to gold BUYERs soon.

Box Traps: Sure
Anti-Dragon & Dragonfire Shields: Sure
Lundail's Arena-side Rune Shop (Mage Arena Rune Shop) and the Magic Guild Store: Making the requirement for mage arena is good. If low level ironmen have an issue, maybe the zamorak mage's shop should be buffed a lil? Risk in the wildy, of course.

Hand in the sand req for magic guild makes no sense. It's the magic guild, if a bot has level 66 magic there's probably better stuff they could be doing than buying runes, I think. Plus at that mage level it's not that hard to do the mage arena miniquest.. they'd just bot there instead anyway...

Zaff's Staves: Make battlestaves a daily reward. 1 each day for each varrock related quest. So shield of arrav, romeo and juliet, what lies below, = 3 daily varrock battlestaves added on top of the diary battlestaves. Alternatively just remove them. Most battlestaves are from pvm these days anyway...

Stealing the Wine of Zamorak: Sure

Mage Training Arena: Enchanting Chamber: Uhh.. just buff playing the minigame normally and remove the dstones outright.

Pickpocketing NPCs: wtf? Autoclickers should be easy to detect and if people are botting these things then surely they can set a script to open the bag once every 28 clicks.

Drop-based Scams: Arbitrary restriction on player freedom. Wtf will I do on my ultimate ironman when i need to drop something? Remove the ability to drop items at corp beast. Remove the entrana kick that forces people off the island. Don't do restrict it based on value. Or maybe give an option to disable the restriction at an npc?

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17-Mar-2018 05:14:38

Miu

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Changes to the Duel Arena

We'd like to implement a tax on all stakes in the Duel Arena: Sure, good goldsink. It's time for the house to win a little at sand casino.

The ability to temporarily boost your stats within the duel to max: Ehh..? Don't think this would impact odds stakers by much. They'd just prey on people that don't want to use it and think the odds are worth it.

A trade weighting limit on stakes which would prevent one side being heavily weighted over the other: Bad idea, now odds stakers are doing trust trades before/after stakes. It's an open invitation to scam.

We'd like to prevent players from emptying weapons within the Arena: I guess this is talking about blowpipes or something? Add a no weapon switching option or an option that fills your inventory with junk so you can't fiddle around. I'm okay with it as an idea, just think it could be handled better.

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17-Mar-2018 05:20:21

17 pets

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As for the coin purses I think its a bad Idea because when I'm pickpocketting ardy knights I usually bring 5+ dodgy necklaces and the rest food. Meaning that my whole inventory would be full while pickpocketting coin. I find it way too tedious for legit players to get xp if they have to open purses every 1-10 clicks.

17-Mar-2018 05:34:22

Minun95

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Regarding the changes you ate meaning to do in the game (ironman point of view)
-about the mage arena: this will heavily hurt low lvl ironman and might slow down their progress so much, since as low lvl they are relying on that store to buy most of their runes, mostly cosmics. I do not think this idea should be in the game.
-about the idea of coin purses:
To be honest i gave it a lot of thoughts and havnt found a single better idea, but it will seem to slow thieving training by months. Since ironman (and o believe other account) are sometime maxing this this early on for them to have cash for construction, miscellenia or runes. This will slow down their progress by far far to much, and will make the skill unafkable at all since you cant no more bring full inventory of food.
However, there might be few solutions to handle this problem:
1) make the purses stackable up to a certain number. Like, a player can stack only up to 50 or more purses in his inventory but no more then that.
2) keep the suggested idea as it is but buffb the xp for each pickpocket and buff the coin reward relatively. That way youll keep the bots away and wont damage the progress of some player (since now training the skill will be much slower).
-last idea i want to talk about regarding the wine of zamorak:
I did not fully understood it. The upper floor, that requires 500 total lvl, will be free of monks and wines can br freely telegrabed? If it is, so great idea. If you cant still grab more then a single wine even on the upper floor: please do not give life to this idea. It will be so hard to create ranging pots like that (im lvl 80 combat and can make ranging pots with boosts)

Will be happy to further discuss those ideas or any more ideas you have in mind, but please dont kill the game for ironmen.
Tyvm

17-Mar-2018 06:04:09

Plasmaspy

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Death mechanics-

The current death mechanics are fine.
Reverting it back to 2 minutes would be terrible for any bossing content as you could pretty much consider it as just deleting the dropped items seeing as how long it takes to get to places like gwd etc. Even if it was 20 minutes with a paylock, it wouldn't be enough time.
This would also make alot of players not use the best in slot gear apart from the 3 most valuable items. Effectively making all but the best 3 items for a setup into bankstanding gear.
If you increase the risk of losing hard acquired expensive gear or forcing a large amount of money to reclaim, the difficulty of bosses and any new future content would have to be lowered to an amount justifiable in players eyes to risk their expensive gear, effectively removing what could be challenging fun content for the sake of a gold sink or forcing people to use 3 items making the new death mechanic redundant anyway.

Torfinn was a good idea, paying 100k as punishment for messing up is fine, I feel most bosses should have something like this as a good compromise between making you play better to prevent death and being a minor gold sink.
I love this game, it is at such a good place right now and the death mechanic doesn't need to change.
If it isn't broken you don't need to fix it.
Please don't break the games integrity for the sake of ... integrity?

17-Mar-2018 06:55:39 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2018 07:58:17 by Plasmaspy

Mar

2024

Xray 1014

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First off a huge thank you to all the work you do and for thinking about integrity. This seems lost on a lot of businesses these days and I really appreciate it. I love most of these updates and I really approve of the reporting feedback in particular. I often report toxic players but to be honest I've never felt like my report does anything. Knowing that you actually ban players for things such as 10% scam and just that you're aware of and evaluating this situation means a lot to me. Thank you. I will now comment on proposed content changes.

Box traps: +
Drag shields: +
Rune shop: + rune store. No to the hand in the sand Magic Guild
Zaff's Staves: +
Pickpocketing: No
Wine of Zamorak: No
Mage Arena: +
Drop Based: No!
Duel Arena: No!

Overall I don't really like the idea of changing content purely to combat bots. It feels like an easy way out to me and I would rather that we could just detect the methods of botting opposed to changing the real game. With that being said I think content changes make sense if they are lore related or make sense with a quest. Dragon slayer allowing dragon shield? Makes sense and fits with osrs. 500 qp to steal wine and creating a new layer of the building? I'm borderline on this...I wouldn't strongly oppose it but I think we could do better.

The two that I feel strongly about are the drop based changed and duel arena. These do not fit within the integrity of old school runescape at all in my opinion.

Again, thank you and keep up the good work! Have a wonderful day and happy gaming all

17-Mar-2018 07:34:53 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2018 07:36:26 by Xray 1014

Blood Mayhem

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Hey Great work i just have one problem with the mentioned suggestions

"The ability to temporarily boost your stats within the duel to max. This option would mean that the odds stakers lose their advantage, and we keep the Duel Arena open. Note that the boosted stats wouldn't affect what equipment you're able to wield. A level 3 couldn't stake with an Abyssal whip, for example. The option would appear within the Duel interface. Players using this option will not gain XP in duels"
i dont think this is fair for all of us legitimate players who train/ grind for months/years for a slight advantage in stats over our opponent when going to the arena, making people customize their stats will lead to a massive chaos as people will just make level 3s to just RWT, i highly advice against it as it will cost a lot of problems within the community, i think such huge update should have a poll vote for it. as for everything else mentioned i think they are fine.
thanks

17-Mar-2018 08:24:59

Elflead

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I'd like to ask you how "A trade weighting limit on stakes which would prevent one side being heavily weighted over the other." would prevent bots from trading wealth?

There is no way a level 3 without auto-retaliate (or even with) can win duel with higher level main who is collecting botted-goods; therefore even staking same amount of risk will make this duel work exactly as before.

For this change to be effective, stats + weapons should be equalized in case of stake mismatch and force auto-retaliate on to make it at-least 50/50

17-Mar-2018 08:59:59

TheFloW

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Honestly all of you working as mods should just quit and leave the position for some more capable people.
Why have a poll booth if you just decide what u feel like and just re-poll things til they get accepted if things dont work out as you want the first poll.

All these updates are complete trash, stop trying make things better only for streamers/youtubers while ruining the game for everyone else

17-Mar-2018 09:50:30

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