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Plonster
Dec Member 2019

Plonster

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ne v said :
Is there something wrong with the vambraces?
I find many people complaining but personally I think it's great.


I agree about the vambs being a great idea as it stands to be polled. I don't understand how barrow gloves become undervalued by producing a best in slot ranged item with lesser defensive bonuses of barrow gloves. And if the vambs are expensive to make, then that is a good thing. Look at all the raids 1 gear and players can see most of it is massively inflated due to its usefulness, and a few key updates that made it better (dhcb update).

Also barrow gloves are a game item that are extra old. This update for BIS ranged seems like it's not a power creep but it provides a perfect reason to buy them. I know barrow gloves can be used with armadyl set, but I could easily see higher level players or tanks using them at a (hypothetical) higher price of 40-60m.

This is due to the differences stated here:

Barrow gloves - 130k Quest item

Attack bonus

+12 stab
+12 slash
+12 crush
+6 magic
+12 ranged

Defence bonus

+12 stab
+12 slash
+12 crush
+6 magic
+12 ranged

Other bonuses

+12 strength, and everything else 0

Vamp braces (before poll) - ???? Raids 2 PVM reward

Attack bonuses

stab +0
slash +0
crush+0
mage -10
ranged +14

Defence bonuses

stab +8
slash +7
crush +9
mage +12
ranged +0

Other bonuses

Ranged strength bonus of +2

Struggling to see with that comparison how they would devalue barrow gloves in that current state. If anything, they could have a bit more on the ranged strength bonus but even then they provide decent alternative to barrows gloves for ranged.

And I don't see as many people these days using armadyl and barrow gloves unless going against GWD bosses. Most of the time it's elite void with pegs, anguish etc. So if anything it would provide an alternative set bonus for armadyl, and maybe more would go away from the void meta and into the defensive bonus set again with rng str Clan Defy -
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12-Mar-2018 05:45:55 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2018 06:01:11 by Plonster

EndOfJourney

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The vampyrium braces will end up being a worthless drop like the pegasian crystal once their supply exceeds that of ranger gloves. They should be a stand alone drop since the item they're replacing as BiS isn't even tradeable.

The scythe of vitur seems underwhelming even with the multi-hit mechanic. Give it higher accuracy bonuses.

The infernal defender seems very much out of place. Either rename it or introduce it as part of a different update.

50% defence reduction, inability to use other overheads and a drain on your prayer for dealing damage is very steep for a 10% increase in melee accuracy. Make the judgement prayer drain the opponent's prayer instead (preferably 25% of damage dealt like smite) and give it a high drain rate to compensate. In its current form it's not going to be used for much other than DWH spec'ing bosses (its use for this is questionable given that the prayer drain will cut your trips short) and spec-tabbing in PvP worlds.

The staff is by far the worst reward on here. We could've finally had the KO potential that magic deserves but instead we get a trident reskin with a healing passive because apparently we don't have enough weapons in-game with healing effects already. Hint: guthan's set, toxic blowpipe, SGS, onyx bolts (e), blood barrage. Lazy is the only word I can use to describe this.

Rapier is good. Replaces the hasta as BiS stab but it also has a higher attack requirement and will presumably be far more expensive.

Woox's video at DKS speaks volumes. The justiciar armour needs to be re-balanced so that it actually acts as a tank set and not something you use to AFK bosses. I'm thinking some kind of negative to offense.

Potions/Sinhaza Shroud: no comment.

12-Mar-2018 11:18:47 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2018 11:20:39 by EndOfJourney

Mod Ayiza

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There's too much for me to reply to individually, but I wanted to say thanks all for your feedback, it's been really valuable.

We're hoping to get a revised post out detailing what changes we'd like to make soon.

12-Mar-2018 15:45:07

Mayerdynn
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If rapier passes the poll without any adjustment, its dead content.
Doesn't matter if its degradable or not, we have kraken which applies venom, and rapier is a niche item for killing bosses who have immune to poison. RIP

Armor - not bothered too much, really expected ToB-only armor, which I was hyped for.

Gloves/scythe - not too excited

Staff - Awesome, nothing else needed here.

Potions, nothing special..

12-Mar-2018 20:38:03

CapitalPain
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glad things are being added ti herblore need more reasons to make farming and herblore worth training. Snapdragon and ranarrs need that boost again but lower level herbs do too? maybe think about other potion upgrades for higher levels that dont involve tob

13-Mar-2018 02:22:01

Reminiscon

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Mayerdynn said :
If rapier passes the poll without any adjustment, its dead content.
Doesn't matter if its degradable or not, we have kraken which applies venom, and rapier is a niche item for killing bosses who have immune to poison. RIP

Armor - not bothered too much, really expected ToB-only armor, which I was hyped for.

Gloves/scythe - not too excited

Staff - Awesome, nothing else needed here.

Potions, nothing special..


Wrong.

Rapier doesn't degrade, and venom is largely useless on bosses. Rapier also has 1 higher max hit on aggressive stance.

Rapier should be +86. Long live the Wilderness. Long live risk vs reward in PVM. Long live 2006.

15-Mar-2018 21:49:29

SamoaSpider
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the Scythe of Vitur is set to speed 5 (same as longswords) and hits 3 targets(or more if stacked!) every time. Are you guys sure its balanced? Will it do near nothing damage after 3 hits? o.O
Instead of giving it infinite Dragon Halberd specs, how about giving it spec bar with spec that deals 20% more damage and 4 special attacks in either style of Accurate/controlled/controlled/defensive?

20-Mar-2018 14:25:58

Punition

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If Rapier ever come to osrs byebye whip, tent whip, hasta, sara sword, abyss dagger. They all gonna be useless now since rapier will have strenght stance, bis slot for any condition no matter what slayer,bossing, dragon, training. You devalue everything in the game. Meanwhile there is no 5 tick 1 handed weapon in the game who is able to compete in dps for bossing with high defence. Shame jagex

21-Mar-2018 03:30:52

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