Forums

Bonds and RuneFest

Quick find code: 380-381-44-65435533

Tromosthus
Feb Member 2020

Tromosthus

Posts: 809 Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
People would be able to buy gold in the game instead of having to earn it.



Original message details are unavailable.
1 bond costs £3 in real life terms, meaning 1mil OSRS is £3. That doesn't sound too bad, but then when you consider that Bandos Tassets and Chestplate would be equal to £75 worth of bonds and an AGS is worth over £180, it really starts to hit home how much money people would have to pour into them to abuse them.

Look at Prayer, that's around 105mil using dragon bones I believe. 105mil is equal to £315. How many players are really going to spend £315 on Runescape, just for 99 Prayer? And it's similar with all the other buyables that are actually worth something (Not cooking, fletching etc). In reality, I really don't think there'd be many people there to abuse



Barely.


TO me it is a type of "bright line" argument. In other words, no equivocation. Buying gold is bad for the game. It should not be officially endorsed in any form.

18-Jul-2014 16:27:32

Itchy Scalp
Jan Member 2021

Itchy Scalp

Posts: 64 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Reach posted a while back that bonds could be added, but the pay to win side of it was kept to RS3

I support that but I don't support the pay to win side of it being on OSRS. I'd really like a way to buy membership with OSRS GP (as long as the rate is good compared to rs3) but at the cost of the game becoming pay to win? No thanks..

Basically..

Bonds with no pay to win on OSRS(keep it on rs3) = Yes
Bonds with pay to win on OSRS = No
Official GP transfer system between games = Yes I think.


An official gp transfer system would only sweep the issue under the rug, making bonds a reality but with us just turning a blind eye to it.

18-Jul-2014 16:27:37

ScapeRune
Nov Member 2022

ScapeRune

Posts: 33,512 Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.

Official GP transfer system between games = Yes I think.

THIS! <3

That would be exactly equivalent to bringing pay-to-win to OSRS
Cabbage? CABBAGE!

18-Jul-2014 16:27:41

Coramoor

Coramoor

Posts: 59 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
I think adding in bonds would be a great addition to OSRS. I understand that the biggest problem people have with them is that someone pays real money for them which they can turn into in-game gold.
The way the effect of this can be minimized is placing a cap on the amount of bonds you can buy per month with actual currency (Say like 2-4).
Now, for someone buying a bond with ingame gold, there should be no cap to that. The reason for this being if you buy the bond with ingame gold it will only be able to pay for membership and runefest.


That is something we could do, limit the amount of bonds an account can buy.


And then people would spend money on another account. Membership is very little if they have enough money to outspend that limit.

18-Jul-2014 16:28:05

Mod Mat K

Mod Mat K

Jagex Moderator Forum Profile Posts by user
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Reach posted a while back that bonds could be added, but the pay to win side of it was kept to RS3

I support that but I don't support the pay to win side of it being on OSRS. I'd really like a way to buy membership with OSRS GP (as long as the rate is good compared to rs3) but at the cost of the game becoming pay to win? No thanks..

Basically..

Bonds with no pay to win on OSRS(keep it on rs3) = Yes
Bonds with pay to win on OSRS = No
Official GP transfer system between games = Yes I think.


That was the original direction we were looking at. But there are significant technical difficulties and the risks to both economy's make it an nonviable option.

18-Jul-2014 16:28:13

Captainkool

Captainkool

Posts: 12 Bronze Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Careful OSRS team, this idea is obviously against the ideology many OS players hold for this game, and it will damage this game you've worked VERY hard to grow and cause many people to lose interest and quit. As you said, people don't often quit because of updates not passing, but they will quit over big changing updates, like bonds in osrs would be. The argument that people can just buy RS3 bonds and transfer wealth etc. so therefore this is actually not introducing anything new is a bad argument because 1.) there is always the risk of being scammed for large chunks of GP, this serves to both a.) keep people away from doing it in the first place and b.) allow players who don't buy bonds and xfer gp to believe (and this is important) that not many people are buying bonds, which allows them to keep their feel-good-nostalgia-OSRS-is-a-real-game glasses on tightly, which keeps ther membership money coming in. Disillusion large portions of this playerbase by introducing bonds directly into OSRS, allowing anyone who wants to buy GP and therefore EXP to do so unfettered, and you will find that many people leave. We've probably all quit and left RS before, so I know most of us have it in us to leave and quit again if OUR PERCEPTION of OSRS shifted so radically.

I know you JMODS will claim that this is soley on us to decide, that you are simply putting it out there as is your duty as mods, but I feel that you should show respect for the community and show that you truly do understand our desires by not even introducing or entertaining this kind of possibility in the first place. It would be like if the president of a democratic state with a large middle class and small welathy class wanted to "just talk about" eliminating all taxes for the rich and increasing taxes on all the middle class, but hey, they're just asking about it!!! The President just wanted to see how the community felt about such a change in the tax system! Show respect for ur players and we'll stay.

18-Jul-2014 16:28:16

Coramoor

Coramoor

Posts: 59 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Reach posted a while back that bonds could be added, but the pay to win side of it was kept to RS3

I support that but I don't support the pay to win side of it being on OSRS. I'd really like a way to buy membership with OSRS GP (as long as the rate is good compared to rs3) but at the cost of the game becoming pay to win? No thanks..

Basically..

Bonds with no pay to win on OSRS(keep it on rs3) = Yes
Bonds with pay to win on OSRS = No
Official GP transfer system between games = Yes I think.


That was the original direction we were looking at. But there are significant technical difficulties and the risks to both economy's make it an nonviable option.


I think that the risks in the above situation are lesser than the one you are proposing. Technical difficulties aside.

18-Jul-2014 16:29:58

Rawrylol

Rawrylol

Posts: 1,176 Mithril Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.

Look at Prayer, that's around 105mil using dragon bones I believe. 105mil is equal to £315. How many players are really going to spend £315 on Runescape, just for 99 Prayer? And it's similar with all the other buyables that are actually worth something (Not cooking, fletching etc). In reality, I really don't think there'd be many people there to abuse


Okay, a 16 year old working at mcdonalds makes £40 a day. That's 8 hours work. Given that there are undoubtedly many 16 year olds playing RS with weekend/summer jobs there are many people that earn this. How many 16 year olds have bills/necessary expenditures? Very few.

Now, £40 is roughly 13 bonds. That's 13m by your estimate (which is not accurate at all as rates are currently 1:9). That's over 1.5m an hour.

Now I ask, who would rather grind rs for 5 hours at 300k/hr than work for one?

And trust me, there are MANY people who would spend their wage on RS.


Pretty sure that the majority of OSRS are older than this now and have other things to put their wage to. I'm not denying that people will pour their money into bonds on OSRS, what I'm disputing is that there are 'many' people who would.

You say many, I say few. Until you can show me proof I wouldn't change my stance on that, but JMods have stated a fair few times that the average age of an OSRS is somewhere around 19 - 20. I mean think about it, a 16 year old would have been 9 in 2007. I really really doubt there are that many of them around.

18-Jul-2014 16:30:08

Coramoor

Coramoor

Posts: 59 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.

Look at Prayer, that's around 105mil using dragon bones I believe. 105mil is equal to £315. How many players are really going to spend £315 on Runescape, just for 99 Prayer? And it's similar with all the other buyables that are actually worth something (Not cooking, fletching etc). In reality, I really don't think there'd be many people there to abuse


Okay, a 16 year old working at mcdonalds makes £40 a day. That's 8 hours work. Given that there are undoubtedly many 16 year olds playing RS with weekend/summer jobs there are many people that earn this. How many 16 year olds have bills/necessary expenditures? Very few.

Now, £40 is roughly 13 bonds. That's 13m by your estimate (which is not accurate at all as rates are currently 1:9). That's over 1.5m an hour.

Now I ask, who would rather grind rs for 5 hours at 300k/hr than work for one?

And trust me, there are MANY people who would spend their wage on RS.


Pretty sure that the majority of OSRS are older than this now and have other things to put their wage to. I'm not denying that people will pour their money into bonds on OSRS, what I'm disputing is that there are 'many' people who would.

You say many, I say few. Until you can show me proof I wouldn't change my stance on that, but JMods have stated a fair few times that the average age of an OSRS is somewhere around 19 - 20. I mean think about it, a 16 year old would have been 9 in 2007. I really really doubt there are that many of them around.


You're making the assumption that all old school players played in 2007. Very much false.

And 19-20 year olds aren't much better, student loans are OP.

18-Jul-2014 16:31:36

Saxo
Mar Member 2020

Saxo

Posts: 7,687 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.
Original message details are unavailable.

Official GP transfer system between games = Yes I think.

THIS! <3

That would be exactly equivalent to bringing pay-to-win to **RS
Yeah thats why the "I think" but if people are going to do that then they are going to do it regardless

Could be kept to a minimum with GP limits per week etc

18-Jul-2014 16:32:28

Quick find code: 380-381-44-65435533 Back to Top