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Yeah, it's a nice update and everything, but i don't think too much should be added because there is still players that needs to go out in the wilderness no matter what and are likely to just be pk'ed when they do so. Also i think if too much would be added it would kind of ruin the "oldschool" feeling about the game. Dragon pickaxe is a good example of that, but it could still work out pretty well. Just don't go so far that you add corporeal beast and divine shield or such things. Hear my words when i say; Don't walk the same path that made Runescape crash.

P.S. Thanks for adding oldschool. Love it! I've played since 2004 on my first account, and i missed the old feelings ever since the graphics and style of the game were changed. ^_^

12-Jan-2014 11:02:19

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voting no to all of it if I could.

Wilderness should stay dead tbh.

But you play RS3, so why should you care what goes on in 07 besides voting no out of spite? "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

12-Jan-2014 11:13:28

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PvM risk =/= PvP risk.

That said, you cannot interchange the risk we take killing bosses and the risk we take around PKers. The analogy of chickens dropping armadyl armour should only be applied to other PvM risk+reward analogies.
Fighting another player and fighting a NPC are two completely different stories.

Content should not be limited solely in midst of PvP risk.
There should be a safe method to obtain them for this update to be healthy.

12-Jan-2014 11:26:17

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There should be a safe method to obtain them for this update to be healthy.

I've said this before, I will say it again:

Then what the hell is the point in Risk?

Reward vs. Reward is bad game design. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

12-Jan-2014 11:32:01

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There should be a safe method to obtain them for this update to be healthy.

I've said this before, I will say it again:

Then what the hell is the point in Risk?

Reward vs. Reward is bad game design.

The point in risk is to inflate rewards for it to be enticing despite potential costs. You fight a chicken that hits 1 damage on you and you get cheap feathers. You kill General Graardor and you get a bandos chestplate. Which one is more dangerous? Why would anyone waste their time killing a much more difficult monster for the same reward?

Unless you are totally irrational (which is pretty much impossible), you will at some point balance the costs and benefits either consciously or unconsciously.
THAT is risk+reward.

12-Jan-2014 11:40:57

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The point in risk is to inflate rewards for it to be enticing despite potential costs. You fight a chicken that hits 1 damage on you and you get cheap feathers. You kill General Graardor and you get a bandos chestplate. Which one is more dangerous? Why would anyone waste their time killing a much more difficult monster for the same reward?

Unless you are totally irrational (which is pretty much impossible), you will at some point balance the costs and benefits either consciously or unconsciously.
THAT is risk+reward.

I don't think you got my point: You're basically asking for a Mercedes (reward), but saying you don't want to pay for it (risk/effort). It makes no logical sense to me, but going past that:

Ok- do you know of Supply and Demand?

If you do, good. Risk helps drive the economy. If you don't, then we can't discuss things further.

Besides, feathers are a poor analogy since they, for the most part, have a stable price and can be obtained via shops. Pretty sure the only way to obtain a BCP is by killing Graardor or by buying from a player who took the risk of killing Graardor or another player for it. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

12-Jan-2014 11:49:37

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I don't think you got my point: You're basically asking for a Mercedes (reward), but saying you don't want to pay for it (risk/effort). It makes no logical sense to me, but going past that:

Ok- do you know of Supply and Demand?

If you do, good. Risk helps drive the economy. If you don't, then we can't discuss things further.

Besides, feathers are a poor analogy since they, for the most part, have a stable price and can be obtained via shops. Pretty sure the only way to obtain a BCP is by killing Graardor or by buying from a player who took the risk of killing Graardor or another player for it.

The risk in paying for something has no relevance in this matter. The risk in paying for something lies in the seller's legitimacy (so you don't get scammed) and product quality (so it doesn't break the moment you buy it), among other things.
We do not have to worry about the issue of product quality in Runescape.

As for the point my analogy, let me make it easier for you to understand since it was confusing.
Okay. Let's compare a black dragon and a King black dragon. You are looking for a draconic visage. The regular black dragon can be found with much ease and can be safespotted. The king black dragon is found deep in the wilderness (although the map its in is safe from other players), it cannot be safespotted and it is much more difficult to kill/survive in. The KBD has a much higher drop rate of the visage.

Additional risk -> additional drop rate.

12-Jan-2014 12:04:51

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As for the point my analogy, let me make it easier for you to understand since it was confusing.
Okay. Let's compare a black dragon and a King black dragon. You are looking for a draconic visage. The regular black dragon can be found with much ease and can be safespotted. The king black dragon is found deep in the wilderness (although the map its in is safe from other players), it cannot be safespotted and it is much more difficult to kill/survive in. The KBD has a much higher drop rate of the visage.

Additional risk -> additional drop rate.

Oh no, I don't think you understood what I meant by Risk: These proposals are creating a new market. New markets generally stimulate a given economy. With new markets come risk (Risk is completely subjective, but think about it in RS terms, not RL terms). With risk, it limits as to who will participate in said market (due to fear of sorts), thus limiting the supply, and if the demand reacts properly, will create a boom. That is what I meant by risk (in a sense. Again, Risk is completely subjective).

As for your analogy, Yes- that would be logical since you're risking to get a better chance at something, like how it has always been in RS. However, that does not imply that everything should have a safe alternative as it eliminates risk, thus suffocating any new market that should arise. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

12-Jan-2014 12:13:48

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