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Crew69

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No bots should exist in the game, when the bots get banned and the price of sharks rise skillers have more incentive to go catch them and they will fill the void left by the bots.
People who prefer to skill should not be trying to keep up with an army of scripts and getting little rewards for their hard work. Not to mention the fact that the bots sell the gp from the shark for irl money and people who dont want to play the game properly can be on the same level as people who put endless legitimate hours in.


Yeah, clearly the skillers filled in the void after sharks went up 100%.


Exactly...why fish sharks if there is no incentive to do so. There wasn't incentive because of the bots. You take out the bots and now there is incentive and reasons to skill to high levels. Why shouldn't 99 fishing be just as profitable as having high combat?

What it comes down to is the new players (those who played a lot after 2007) are used to instant gratification. That needs to stay away from this game if it wants to be Oldschool Runescape. Otherwise I just wasted the past year of my life since this is about to turn into RS3 again.

28-May-2014 21:51:47 - Last edited on 28-May-2014 21:53:38 by Crew69

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Xesa I'm not talking about some complex economic theory here...its simple supply and demand. A trading system gives merchants a MUCH easier way to control the supply. You limit the supply, you drive the price up...you increase the supply the price goes down. It is really as simple as that.

You should be happy about Jagex banning bots. It brings up the value of resources like food and potions which in turn will eventually drive up the prices of high-tier armor and weapons since it will be more costly to get them. Runescape has a fairly health economy right now. Giving merchants and place to control supply would ruin that. And there wouldn't be a way to "limit" their use of it. It has to be all or nothing. Either it stays as is and you need to put a tiny bit of effort to buy or sell and item or we can have an Auction House and be at the mercy of the merchants to save our selves a little bit of time.


Apparently, high prices are now a good thing. Tell that to the new players joining this game where 10k is a fortune to them. And why would I be happy about something that makes me have less fun? I was able to buy nearly 1.5k sharks for 1M, and now I can barely get 750 Sharks. SO MUCH FUN.

And that's why I said, you shouldn't act like an economist, because this isn't "simple supply and demand". If it was simple supply and demand everyone would be a mercher with 100s of mils.

Also, if you're unhappy, just become a mercher yourself.

28-May-2014 21:52:53

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No bots should exist in the game, when the bots get banned and the price of sharks rise skillers have more incentive to go catch them and they will fill the void left by the bots.
People who prefer to skill should not be trying to keep up with an army of scripts and getting little rewards for their hard work. Not to mention the fact that the bots sell the gp from the shark for irl money and people who dont want to play the game properly can be on the same level as people who put endless legitimate hours in.


Yeah, clearly the skillers filled in the void after sharks went up 100%.


Exactly...why fish sharks if there is no incentive to do so. There wasn't incentive because of the bots. You take out the bots and now there is incentive and reasons to skill to high levels. Why shouldn't 99 fishing be just as profitable as having high combat?


If there was an incentive to fish sharks after bots were banned, sharks wouldn't have doubled in price is what I'm trying to tell you. They would have went up, then started dropping again.

Like I said, you learned the word "incentive" in your grade 11 economics class and are suddenly acting like an economist. I was the same.

28-May-2014 21:55:45

Crew69

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Apparently, high prices are now a good thing. Tell that to the new players joining this game where 10k is a fortune to them. And why would I be happy about something that makes me have less fun? I was able to buy nearly 1.5k sharks for 1M, and now I can barely get 750 Sharks. SO MUCH FUN.

And that's why I said, you shouldn't act like an economist, because this isn't "simple supply and demand". If it was simple supply and demand everyone would be a mercher with 100s of mils.

Also, if you're unhappy, just become a mercher yourself.


Yes high prices are a good thing. A new player doesn't need sharks. A new player needs to fish their own food, cut their own logs, mine their own ore and learn about the game. Once they understand how things work then they will see...Hey if I fish sharks I can make good money. And a simple supply and demand model does apply to the Runescape economy. But nope lets keep the bots in the game!!! As long as it makes it easier for me :) . It is that kind of attitude that will kill this game.

28-May-2014 21:56:18

Crew69

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No bots should exist in the game, when the bots get banned and the price of sharks rise skillers have more incentive to go catch them and they will fill the void left by the bots.
People who prefer to skill should not be trying to keep up with an army of scripts and getting little rewards for their hard work. Not to mention the fact that the bots sell the gp from the shark for irl money and people who dont want to play the game properly can be on the same level as people who put endless legitimate hours in.


Yeah, clearly the skillers filled in the void after sharks went up 100%.


Exactly...why fish sharks if there is no incentive to do so. There wasn't incentive because of the bots. You take out the bots and now there is incentive and reasons to skill to high levels. Why shouldn't 99 fishing be just as profitable as having high combat?


If there was an incentive to fish sharks after bots were banned, sharks wouldn't have doubled in price is what I'm trying to tell you. They would have went up, then started dropping again.

Like I said, you learned the word "incentive" in your grade 11 economics class and are suddenly acting like an economist. I was the same.


I never claimed to be an economist but I am informed on economic models. Sharks doubled in price because...wait for it...the supply flow changed. You take out the bots and you decrease the supply and the price goes up. You are mad because the supplies you need went up in price. You essentially are saying you want bots in the game to keep prices down so you can buy sharks so you can go do God Wars or PK. But you don't seem to care about the people who fish or woodcut and what botters did to them. You aren't offering up any points and just sound like your mad because the price of sharks went up.

28-May-2014 22:03:53

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Apparently, high prices are now a good thing. Tell that to the new players joining this game where 10k is a fortune to them. And why would I be happy about something that makes me have less fun? I was able to buy nearly 1.5k sharks for 1M, and now I can barely get 750 Sharks. SO MUCH FUN.

And that's why I said, you shouldn't act like an economist, because this isn't "simple supply and demand". If it was simple supply and demand everyone would be a mercher with 100s of mils.

Also, if you're unhappy, just become a mercher yourself.


Yes high prices are a good thing. A new player doesn't need sharks. A new player needs to fish their own food, cut their own logs, mine their own ore and learn about the game. Once they understand how things work then they will see...Hey if I fish sharks I can make good money. And a simple supply and demand model does apply to the Runescape economy. But nope lets keep the bots in the game!!! As long as it makes it easier for me :) . It is that kind of attitude that will kill this game.


Obviously high prices are a great thing! Let's raise membership to 20$/month, gas prices to 5$/ Litre, Food prices up by 200%, same with housing. Then you'll be extremely happy wouldn't you? -- Because high prices are a good thing.

If it was so simple and you understood the supply and demand of RS, why don't you have billions upon billions? You should be able to make it easily with such a simple market.

28-May-2014 22:08:59

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I never claimed to be an economist but I am informed on economic models. Sharks doubled in price because...wait for it...the supply flow changed. You take out the bots and you decrease the supply and the price goes up. You are mad because the supplies you need went up in price. You essentially are saying you want bots in the game to keep prices down so you can buy sharks so you can go do God Wars or PK. But you don't seem to care about the people who fish or woodcut and what botters did to them. You aren't offering up any points and just sound like your mad because the price of sharks went up.


The fact that your arguments are becoming more "you" oriented and everything you say is related to me shows that you have nothing left to say. You just dropped down to a personal level, and usually a loss.

Also, you're wrong. Obviously lower shark prices would benefit me and that's why I want it, but I don't want everything I need to drop in price. I really need Granite Mauls as well, but I'd much rather have them at 250k ea instead of the current 90k.

It seems to me like you hate merchers, and prefer skilling and a straightforward way of making money, and that's why you'll remain a worker bee whilst others advance.

28-May-2014 22:13:48

Crew69

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@Xesa You are not worth arguing because comparing gas prices and housing prices to Runscape prices is ridiculous. Your aren't locked into getitng a certain amount of Runescape gold a month but prices are going up. All resources are going up so your net value is going up. I don't have to time to spend hours merchanting to get billions and I don't really care to. I don't play Runescape to become rich. I play to have some fun with some friends in a game we played together years ago.

I don't really get what point you are arguing either. Bots got banned and prices went up...so lets put in an Auction House? Prices went up across the board. Essentially what is going on now is a wealth transfer from bots back to skillers. That will eventually trickle down to combat drops since they become more expensive to get. I don't get what you are mad about.

28-May-2014 22:19:36

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@Xesa You are not worth arguing because comparing gas prices and housing prices to Runscape prices is ridiculous. Your aren't locked into getitng a certain amount of Runescape gold a month but prices are going up. All resources are going up so your net value is going up. I don't have to time to spend hours merchanting to get billions and I don't really care to. I don't play Runescape to become rich. I play to have some fun with some friends in a game we played together years ago.

I don't really get what point you are arguing either. Bots got banned and prices went up...so lets put in an Auction House? Prices went up across the board. Essentially what is going on now is a wealth transfer from bots back to skillers. That will eventually trickle down to combat drops since they become more expensive to get. I don't get what you are mad about.


Obviously I'm not worth arguing anymore. You're still too unripe and had to drop down to the "you this" and "you that" arguments which are not related to the topic. You don't understand what I'm trying to say because you don't want to understand it. Conversly, I have to use "you" arguments so you can understand.

That's why the Auction House is here, to make merchanting easier and not take hours. You argue for the sake of arguing and hopefully sounding smart, and not to put up a valuable point.

Anyways, I'm out, don't have anymore time to argue with kids on the net. I don't know what I was expecting to have a smart conversation on RS forums. Having a different opinion than mine is fine and I respect that, but you just had to ruin the debate.

28-May-2014 22:27:05 - Last edited on 28-May-2014 22:29:01 by Comfort Zone

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After months and months of crying about getting a G.E. the babies will finally get it. Just goes to show you that the more you cry about something the better the odds of getting what you want.

What eoc babies want eoc babies get.

28-May-2014 22:31:20

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