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Ray Galdier

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The poll is up to 26% no. Jagex, can you afford to lose 26% of us? 'We" being the old timers who spread word of this cool new game. I wonder how many people play this game and never vote? A lot of them will just quit with an update like this one. At this point all skills are profitable and worthwhile. They won't remain that way once you repeat the same mistake again. I will have given up my 99's to start over only to have you ruin the game again. You are fools and have no idea how to run a business.


And yet here you are, supposedly quit a while ago to come back and play what you thought was a re-installment of an earlier Runescape. You claim they don't know how to run a business and are fools, while the only way you can post in this forum is by paying money to be a member to play oldschool. Anyone else see something wrong with that statement?

28-May-2014 22:33:51

Gad Zook

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After months and months of crying about getting a G.E. the babies will finally get it...


Actually at 9k votes tallied the basic system is passing by a narrow margin. That would mean people can post offers but you still have to meet with them to trade, because by the same margin having the system complete trades for you is failing. Personally I'm waiting to see if this trend holds, as I will only vote to enable the system if it doesn't look like the automated portion will pass. If it's going to complete trades for you then I'd rather not have it at all.

28-May-2014 22:40:26

Muaddeeb
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The thing I don't get is this:

If people vote no, nothing happens. If people vote yes, we get a trading solution. People do NOT have to use that solution if they want to obtain goods the old fashioned way. People do NOT have to use the trading system to merchant. Merchants were alive and well with the pre-EOC Grand Exchange. But if it is down-voted, the versatility of the updated game is lost. It is perplexing that so many are arguing against versatility, when said versatility wouldn't be "MANDATORY" to use.

I've played this game since '04, and my priorities and game-play have changed many times. There were times I used the GE, and times I elected to collect the old fashioned way. It's nice to have an option when you are a slayer, pker, or monster killer and need to clear out the bank of all the loot you've collected, without standing around for hours web-hopping to post items for sale, then world hopping forever to meet up to unload said items. No one says this HAS to be the case however, and everyone is free to collect/sell as they see fit. But if the poll doesn't pass, no one has the option.

28-May-2014 22:41:16 - Last edited on 28-May-2014 22:42:30 by Muaddeeb

Ray Galdier

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ATM no single person on this game does this....*hi my name is bahha im here to sell you 1k yew longs do you want to be friends?* you add the person for 15 seconds meet at varock and delete them how is this even a valid argument????


His point isn't really "You might make new friends"...

Its the fact that Runescape is NOT a single player game. And when you add in interfaces such as a trading solution it pushes it towards a single player game. I understand some people enjoy playing the game by themselves and that's fine but there needs to be some sort of player interaction for the game to survive. You take that away and the game will slowly die.

The other point people don't consider is that it will ruin the economy. A trading solution just makes it easier for merchants to manipulate prices. All it would take is a few clicks for them to flood or starve the market of some items to drive prices up or down. It might not happen right away but if you add a trading solution it will devalue a lot of skills and resources and in the end make the game less enjoyable.



An MMOR PG is meant to act as either a single-player OR a multiplayer experience, depending on your preferences. You can easily play Runescape and have no intentions of interacting with other players. For the firs two years I played Runescape (I started in 06) I had little to no contact with other players for two reasons: 1) I had no interest in talking to others in the game and 2) my parents wouldn't let me. :D

This kind of trading system is designed to benefit veteran players who know how the game works and what they need. How often do you go through a quest and know exactly what you need unless you use RuneHQ beforehand?

(I noticed when I tried to type MMOR PG the censor hit the part of the word referencing a weapon. Jagex please fix your censoring system...)

28-May-2014 22:43:05 - Last edited on 28-May-2014 22:44:16 by Ray Galdier

Ray Galdier

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The thing I don't get is this:

If people vote no, nothing happens. If people vote yes, we get a trading solution. People do NOT have to use that solution if they want to obtain goods the old fashioned way. People do NOT have to use the trading system to merchant. Merchants were alive and well with the pre-EOC Grand Exchange. But if it is down-voted, the versatility of the updated game is lost. It is perplexing that so many are arguing against versatility, when said versatility wouldn't be "MANDATORY" to use.

I've played this game since '04, and my priorities and game-play have changed many times. There were times I used the GE, and times I elected to collect the old fashioned way. It's nice to have an option when you are a slayer, pker, or monster killer and need to clear out the bank of all the loot you've collected, without standing around for hours web-hopping to post items for sale, then world hopping forever to meet up to unload said items. No one says this HAS to be the case however, and everyone is free to collect/sell as they see fit. But if the poll doesn't pass, no one has the option.


Amazing point, and I hope others will understand your statement. I is about having options, and having more is better than having less, or in this case none at all...

28-May-2014 22:46:36

Ray Galdier

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Something else I forgot to say to Crew69:

Anywhere you go there will be people trying to exploit anything they can about a game, business, community et cetera. This is inevitable due to people lacking proper morals and values. They try to get ahead by essentially cheating, but I don't see anything wrong with merching. If these players want to stand aound all day in the GE or Varrock or whatever the community chooses, who ar we to deny them their idea of playing the game? Our job as skillers/killers is to go out and get the items we want to combat these merchers. It's a whole different gameplay style unintentionally incorporated into the game, which is just as fun as boss killing. As Muaddeeb said, none of it is mandatory, and there is always the ability to choose.

28-May-2014 22:51:20

Gle nn

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Wow, so far the poll results are so dissappointing... Whats the point in voting yes to question 1 and no to question 4? Do we really want mods to waste developing time on making an ingame ***** which is practically useless...

28-May-2014 22:58:07 - Last edited on 28-May-2014 22:58:27 by Gle nn

OS Psycho

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Xesa I'm not talking about some complex economic theory here...its simple supply and demand. A trading system gives merchants a MUCH easier way to control the supply. You limit the supply, you drive the price up...you increase the supply the price goes down. It is really as simple as that.

You should be happy about Jagex banning bots. It brings up the value of resources like food and potions which in turn will eventually drive up the prices of high-tier armor and weapons since it will be more costly to get them. Runescape has a fairly health economy right now. Giving merchants and place to control supply would ruin that. And there wouldn't be a way to "limit" their use of it. It has to be all or nothing. Either it stays as is and you need to put a tiny bit of effort to buy or sell and item or we can have an Auction House and be at the mercy of the merchants to save our selves a little bit of time.


Apparently, high prices are now a good thing. Tell that to the new players joining this game where 10k is a fortune to them. And why would I be happy about something that makes me have less fun? I was able to buy nearly 1.5k sharks for 1M, and now I can barely get 750 Sharks. SO MUCH FUN.

And that's why I said, you shouldn't act like an economist, because this isn't "simple supply and demand". If it was simple supply and demand everyone would be a mercher with 100s of mils.

Also, if you're unhappy, just become a mercher yourself.

You start this debate stating about how we haven't studied economics and making out how dumb we are but you fail to grasp the simple concept, the bots get banned the prices rise, the skillers notice the rise in price so they start to farm in this instance the shark, as more skillers are fishing for shark the prices will start to steadily fall, its logic.

28-May-2014 23:01:44

OS Psycho

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I personally would rather have a system where u can search for offers on the trading post and add that person to talk to them then be able to trade via pm, obviously it would have to be restricted to both the players being in a bank for the trade to work though.

Bumping my earlier post because I can do that :) and i generally think it is a reasonable compromise.

28-May-2014 23:03:21

Ray Galdier

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Why do you need to bump that? It's the best compromise I've seen reading this entire forum.

Plain and simple, no one on here, save a few, want to negotiate a compromise. Everyone wants what they want when they want it, no exceptions. This is highly selfish and incredibly unhelpful. The point of this update is to help players as a collective whole, so I propose a new question:

In your opinion, would this help players in-game or make things harder for them?

Your answer should decide whether you vote yes or no. I'm voting yes, because I feel it is a genuine act of courtesy by Jagex to help its players have a better time playing the game.

28-May-2014 23:07:03

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