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Angel2D4

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''It's not about being capable.''

Absolutely right.. it's not about being capable.. it's about being willing to think about the possibility that they wouldn't end up exactly how you wanted them to.


''I think you're silly to EXPECT people to think ahead and not just click the button 'Yes'.''

Silly to EXPECT that at least a portion of this community is more than 8 years old and willing to accept that the sun does NOT rise and set on their shoulders?

Silly to believe that every person voting had the opportunity to THINK before voting, and nearly all of that 85% CHOSE not to?

''I would put money on you not expecting that, but whether you'll admit to that or not is up to you I suppose.''

Not expecting so many people to blindly assume that things would end up exactly how they wanted it to?

NO. I absolutely did NOT expect so many would simply blindly click that yes button (I damn well didn't!). I gave the community MUCH more credit than that. I assumed they were ALL smarter than that. (looks like we were ALL wrong in each of our own assumptions concerning these items)

''And you believe that is correct? It shouldn't have been the supermajority.''

I absolutely, completely believe that the players were in the wrong here and that jagex did the best that anyone could have done given that so many players weren't even willing to entertain the possibility that it could end up in a way they didn't personally want.

It SHOULD HAVE BEEN (and was) a supermajority required for each and every poll question, because the PLAYERS DEMANDED IT!

''That's just one of the mistakes.''

A mistake owned entirely by the PLAYERS.

''I know you'll just say 'that's the rules etc etc.'. Doesn't change that they've ended up with the wrong outcome.''

You mean it doesn't change that it ended up in a way YOU don't want. It's not the wrong outcome when the rules are followed, even when one doesn't end up with what he wants.

Players insisted upon 75% and now they have to live with it. LMAO "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

19-May-2013 19:55:40

Lunatic

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'Silly to EXPECT that at least a portion of this community is more than 8 years old and willing to accept that the sun does NOT rise and set on their shoulders?

Silly to believe that every person voting had the opportunity to THINK before voting, and nearly all of that 85% CHOSE not to?'

And a portion did, of course. The majority however, probably did not. Most people wanted rares, they're used to them being discontinued, they want them discontinued, they're asked "Do you want rares?" they click yes. They COULD have thought around it, I'm saying the majority won't have done - you think too highly of RuneScapers I believe.

You believe the majority chose not to think? That doesn't warrant a reply.

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'Not expecting so many people to blindly assume that things would end up exactly how they wanted it to?

NO. I absolutely did NOT expect so many would simply blindly click that yes button (I damn well didn't!). I gave the community MUCH more credit than that. I assumed they were ALL smarter than that. (looks like we were ALL wrong in each of our own assumptions concerning these items).'

Well, you confirmed what I said above here.

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'It SHOULD HAVE BEEN (and was) a supermajority required for each and every poll question, because the PLAYERS DEMANDED IT!'

These polls were a different scenario from others, where either outcome caused a change. Thus the polls should have reflected this. But I won't argue on this because that's just opinion and I won't persuade you otherwise.

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'You mean it doesn't change that it ended up in a way YOU don't want. It's not the wrong outcome when the rules are followed, even when one doesn't end up with what he wants.'

No. It didn't end up the way the majority wanted. There's no 2 ways about it to me, this situation needed a 50:50 poll. As I said, you'll stick to 'the rules are always right' philosophy, and I don't intend to change your perspective.

19-May-2013 20:10:42

Mr Crow

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Elf Carantir wrote:

Also, whatever you write about new items being continued by default.. your assumptions may be true or false. But the very fact is that Jagex did not communicate that to the players prior to the poll or during it. Good day.
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rare poll 1 came out April 10th 2013, 9 days after April fools day

Question 1: would you like rare items to return in some form?

if you also read that entire poll page, Rare items was a term used so people would think of party hats, Santa hats, reindeer hats, etc.

no where on that page did it say anything about the items being discontinued, that is something you and a few other people implied on your own. them becoming discontinued happened in another game and was a limit on how long they were released. So yes Jagex did communicate that to the players. All we voted for was new items for OSRS that look like old items found in eoc.

19-May-2013 20:14:36

Mr Crow

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If they were new they shouldn't have used terms as bringing back , return and remain . Neither should they have recycled the term rare items if they were intending to introduce new community or fun items .

I've told you this many times, this time actual read what I have typed in this post.

A: they are new items because they have never been in this game.

B: they used the terms ''bringing back'', ''return'' (and I don't know where ''remain'' came from?) because on April fools day party hats and Easter eggs could be found dancing around various towns.

C: they recycled the term ''rare items'' so you would think of all the items that would be added in this update at once. the term has multiple definitions like stool (poop) and stool (an object you sit on)

D: you have also been told by other people that the tradable items were never intended to be a symbol of wealth. that's why in 2003 the policy changed so there would be no new tradable discontinued holiday items, bringing them back or (re)introducing them to any game would result in them having to follow this new rule.

E: the word ''discontinued'' was never used in any poll question. so in the first poll you did not vote for discontinued items, you just voted for items.

F: a rule we gave to Jagex about the polls is that every question must have a fair chance to pass or fail, since they could not ask separately if we wanted items to be continued or discontinued that had to ask it as one question. you and I both know there is support for discontinued items (just not super support), so to be fair to the people that wanted these items continued they had to ask it the way they did, because if the question was asked ''Do you NOT want these items to be available for a limited time after their release'' the results would have been (68% no, 34% yes) that would not have been fair to the people that wanted the items continued.

19-May-2013 21:37:39

Elf Carantir

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Question 1: would you like rare items to return in some form?

if you also read that entire poll page, Rare items was a term used so people would think of party hats, Santa hats, reindeer hats, etc.

no where on that page did it say anything about the items being discontinued, that is something you and a few other people implied on your own.
YOU implied this several times.

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''rares'' is a category of discontinued items that are saught after...people today still say ''man i wish i had a rubber chicken or a scythe'' this is their chance to obtain those items...

19-May-2013 22:18:31 - Last edited on 19-May-2013 22:23:44 by Elf Carantir

Angel2D4

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I was confused on what event would partyhats belong to. Also, I think their should be a posting limit on this thread. I swear I see Tyria Mine posting on EVERY single page. It's just rares, save it in one post? Thanks.

Funny isn't it... you'll complain about ME posting so much.. but not about anyone else who posts so much.

LOL it IS entertaining to see just how many people actually 'notice' my posts. :P "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

19-May-2013 22:38:05

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I was confused on what event would partyhats belong to. Also, I think their should be a posting limit on this thread. I swear I see Tyria Mine posting on EVERY single page. It's just rares, save it in one post? Thanks.

Funny isn't it... you'll complain about ME posting so much.. but not about anyone else who posts so much.

LOL it IS entertaining to see just how many people actually 'notice' my posts. :P

Lunatic won.

19-May-2013 22:41:21 - Last edited on 19-May-2013 22:41:53 by [#TA4I60FGZ]

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