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Xon
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BioMasterZap said :
Xon said :
As for the bludgeon, unlike some other suggestions, I wouldn't buff the spec at all. We don't want an AIO main weapon with a high dps + op spec. As for the main stats, it's pretty even to the saradomin's blessed sword (+2 higher accuracy and -3 str), so who will still invest into that?
As for the dagger, the spec has a lower max hit than the dds.. I would vote for an accuracy boost on the special making the abyssal dagger superior on defence accounts, while still keeping dds'es superior vs pures.
Agreed about the Sara Sword. They really need to look into improving it, or its upgraded version; I think it is better to fix that than weaken the Bludgeon anyway.
It seems that is what they were going for with the Abyssal Dagger, but they commucated it poorly. When I posted about it on reddit, Mod Ronan said:
"The DDS is incredibly inconsistent, though. The likelihood of getting a big spec is much larger with the abyssal dagger as you only need to roll a successful hit once. If it were to match the damage as well it would be very, very strong."
So it seems the "if the first hit lands, both do; if the first hit misses, neither do" mechanic is meant to give it the higher accuracy. Although, they left this rather vague in the blog and I am still not sure if the chance for both to miss is worth it to guarantee a 1; because that is what it sounds like.
Indeed so perhaps a 15% accuracy boost in exchange for the -15% damage reduction might be a fair trade-off to really make it worth it?
Funny you should say that. I was just mentioning the same thing in the reddit post
But yah, I think a small accuracy buff in the special would help make it a more accurate spec weapon.
BioMasterZap said :
Xon said :
As for the bludgeon, unlike some other suggestions, I wouldn't buff the spec at all. We don't want an AIO main weapon with a high dps + op spec. As for the main stats, it's pretty even to the saradomin's blessed sword (+2 higher accuracy and -3 str), so who will still invest into that?
As for the dagger, the spec has a lower max hit than the dds.. I would vote for an accuracy boost on the special making the abyssal dagger superior on defence accounts, while still keeping dds'es superior vs pures.
Agreed about the Sara Sword. They really need to look into improving it, or its upgraded version; I think it is better to fix that than weaken the Bludgeon anyway.
It seems that is what they were going for with the Abyssal Dagger, but they commucated it poorly. When I posted about it on reddit, Mod Ronan said:
"The DDS is incredibly inconsistent, though. The likelihood of getting a big spec is much larger with the abyssal dagger as you only need to roll a successful hit once. If it were to match the damage as well it would be very, very strong."
So it seems the "if the first hit lands, both do; if the first hit misses, neither do" mechanic is meant to give it the higher accuracy. Although, they left this rather vague in the blog and I am still not sure if the chance for both to miss is worth it to guarantee a 1; because that is what it sounds like.
Indeed so perhaps a 15% accuracy boost in exchange for the -15% damage reduction might be a fair trade-off to really make it worth it?
Funny you should say that. I was just mentioning the same thing in the reddit post
But yah, I think a small accuracy buff in the special would help make it a more accurate spec weapon.
08-Jun-2015 20:14:07
I forgot to ask.
The abyssal whip is the spine of an abyssal demon, so what is an abyssal bludgeon & abyssal dagger? RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
The abyssal whip is the spine of an abyssal demon, so what is an abyssal bludgeon & abyssal dagger? RIP Forums
Finally we have signatures in the surprise forum update. I'm Lewis, I play Old School & I've been playing since 2005.
08-Jun-2015 20:15:13
King Jim
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Woox said :
I've compiled some data in case anyone is interested. Formulas used in the following calculations are taken from the unofficial Combat Formulas thread .
Assuming the following PvP gear setup:
Helm of neitiznot
Fire cape
Amulet of glory
Dragon defender
Fighter torso
Rune platelegs
Barrows gloves
Dragon boots
Ring of recoil
All calculations assume that you're using super combat potions, piety, maxed stats and is doing a fight against a mirror opponent.
Abyssal dagger special attack (+114 strength bonus, +123 stab bonus)
Max hit: 72 (36-36)
Average hit: 11.77
Hit 10+: 31.37%
Hit 20+: 27.67%
Hit 30+: 21.58%
Hit 40+: 13.39%
Hit 50+: 6.59%
Hit 60+: 2.17%
Hit 70+: 0.14%
Dragon dagger speicla attack (+79 strength bonus, +88 stab bonus)
Max hit: 80 (40-40)
Average hit: 12.22
Hit 10+: 41.11%
Hit 20+: 29.90%
Hit 30+: 18.14%
Hit 40+: 5.81%
Hit 50+: 2.75%
Hit 60+: 1.28%
Hit 70+: 0.37%
Hit 80+: < 0.01%
I don't think this is right. -15% off the 75 str bonus still has the abyssal dagger at a higher max then the dds +15% of 40 str.
According to my calculations it does not with the specified setup.
Woox said :
I've compiled some data in case anyone is interested. Formulas used in the following calculations are taken from the unofficial Combat Formulas thread .
Assuming the following PvP gear setup:
Helm of neitiznot
Fire cape
Amulet of glory
Dragon defender
Fighter torso
Rune platelegs
Barrows gloves
Dragon boots
Ring of recoil
All calculations assume that you're using super combat potions, piety, maxed stats and is doing a fight against a mirror opponent.
Abyssal dagger special attack (+114 strength bonus, +123 stab bonus)
Max hit: 72 (36-36)
Average hit: 11.77
Hit 10+: 31.37%
Hit 20+: 27.67%
Hit 30+: 21.58%
Hit 40+: 13.39%
Hit 50+: 6.59%
Hit 60+: 2.17%
Hit 70+: 0.14%
Dragon dagger speicla attack (+79 strength bonus, +88 stab bonus)
Max hit: 80 (40-40)
Average hit: 12.22
Hit 10+: 41.11%
Hit 20+: 29.90%
Hit 30+: 18.14%
Hit 40+: 5.81%
Hit 50+: 2.75%
Hit 60+: 1.28%
Hit 70+: 0.37%
Hit 80+: < 0.01%
I don't think this is right. -15% off the 75 str bonus still has the abyssal dagger at a higher max then the dds +15% of 40 str.
According to my calculations it does not with the specified setup.
08-Jun-2015 20:18:45
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