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We'll be polling a tin foil hat shortly, it should come in useful for you.



PLEASE YES OMFG YES!!!!!

Ofc, anyone who votes no to that one, is an Illuminati...should make them easy to find out...
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23-Jul-2014 15:25:52

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Any chance you have number on how many accounts cancelled their membership in the first few days of P2P? I think it'd be interesting and it'd put some weight behind your argument that a permanent F2P would cause members to cancel their membership to become F2P.


Do you mean, how many players buy membership and cancel their agreement straight away?


No I mean people who were P2P before F2P was released and then quit. We saw that a lot of people didn't realise that the trial was only a trial, and they thought that F2P would quickly become permanent.

I'm assuming that some people therefore acted in the way you feared and cancelled their memberships so they could become a F2P account for when they hoped it was released permanently.


We haven't measured that as I think the communication was strong enough to minimise that and would probably only indicate which portion of players who are driven by price don't read the dev blog. However, what I can tell you is that we saw a reduction of around 30% of new accounts subscribing as soon as we released the first trial.

We also have the information from RS3 about seasonal trends and how that impacts the move from P2P to F2P.

23-Jul-2014 15:27:20

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Do you plan to remove randoms? Bots do the randoms faster than us. They are not needed and most of us would like to see at least a toggle on/off button. As you can see your bot-filter works very well. I understand you say that Randoms catch some bots. But please note that they cause more trouble to us than it would worth to keep them as they are now.


We do, just not sure how atm.


...and is there a plan in place to deal with afkers then?...cause the randoms do more than bust bots, yah know...
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23-Jul-2014 15:27:28

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We'll be polling a tin foil hat shortly, it should come in useful for you.



PLEASE YES OMFG YES!!!!!

Ofc, anyone who votes no to that one, is an Illuminati...should make them easy to find out...

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23-Jul-2014 15:29:36 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2014 15:32:39 by Kim

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Mod Mat K,

Why should member players that PvM and PvP unsubscribe when permanent F2P comes? That doesnt even make sense. Why should people limit theirselves to rune armour only etc, while they obviously play for member content..


Players are driven by many factors, price is one of those and many players like to take advantage of a F2P option if they are not going to be playing much (for example, going into an exam period, increased workload, going on holiday etc).

23-Jul-2014 15:30:33

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Do you plan to remove randoms? Bots do the randoms faster than us. They are not needed and most of us would like to see at least a toggle on/off button. As you can see your bot-filter works very well. I understand you say that Randoms catch some bots. But please note that they cause more trouble to us than it would worth to keep them as they are now.


We do, just not sure how atm.


...and is there a plan in place to deal with afkers then?...cause the randoms do more than bust bots, yah know...


1. afk is available at nmz without randoms already
2. it is only makeable via Guthan;but Guthan is 10m
3. it is just 40k xp/h with Guthan. The game drops you after 6 hours that is 240k XP. Not much compared to normal playing.

Don't worry.

23-Jul-2014 15:31:07

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Okay, so what happens if we release permanent F2P and 30% of members unsubscribe to take advantage of it.


Then you simply reverse the decision.

What happens if you release permanent F2P and 95% of members that cancel membership for any reason use it for a month or two and resubscribe?

(I'm assuming that significantly more than 5% of members that cancel end up not coming back.)


If we were to remove full F2P we would have lost the members and mugged off the rest of the community be removing F2P. If 95% of the members return within two months, we have still lost some members and two months worth of subscription. The best solution is to make the right decision.


I don't believe that 95% of all members that cancel, come back. I don't think 95% would come back even with permanent F2P (I just think 30% leaving for permanent F2P is a huge number, too.

What I would believe is that if someone has to cancel membership due to not having the money for a month or two, emergency, etc., if that person has access to F2P, they are more likely to stay around than if they have no access to the game.

What the exact numbers would be, I don't know.

If, on the other hand, after several months, it were doing more harm than good to the game, some people might not like it, but those of us heavily in favor could at least say it got a fair shake.

It seems it's not being considered for fear tons of members will go to F2P.

If losing money is such a major concern (and I understand fully why it is), I can't, for the life of me, figure out why there's still a bonds sticky, and why F2P is being shot down over concerns a third of members will go play F2P only rather than talking about how to get that 10% of "long term" players that try out F2P to sign up.

23-Jul-2014 15:32:40

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excuse me-

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Do you plan to remove randoms? Bots do the randoms faster than us. They are not needed and most of us would like to see at least a toggle on/off button. As you can see your bot-filter works very well. I understand you say that Randoms catch some bots. But please note that they cause more trouble to us than it would worth to keep them as they are now.


We do, just not sure how atm.


...and is there a plan in place to deal with afkers then?...cause the randoms do more than bust bots, yah know...


1. afk is available at nmz without randoms already
2. it is only makeable via Guthan;but Guthan is 10m
3. it is just 40k xp/h with Guthan. The game drops you after 6 hours that is 240k XP. Not much compared to normal playing.

Don't worry.


...and with no more randoms,everyone that used to pay the slightest attention to their avatar while playing, stops...and just goes afk. Wc, fishing, etc etc ***


I don't think you grasp my gist m8.
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23-Jul-2014 15:33:09

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I disagree with no permanent FtP completely. I know it's a "business decision", but Jagex has made terrible business decisions in the past such as EoC, where the community was right and Jagex was wrong. This is no different.

23-Jul-2014 15:37:56

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