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Rawrylol

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What makes ... outcomes.

Because that's the whole point of a business; to make profit and as much of it as possible. I know that people like to think that the world is nice and flowery and companies aren't trying to make as much money out of you as possible, but that's simply not true. F2P should be viewed as an investment, and they evidently don't think there's enough there for it to make a return, short term or long term.

I'm not sure what you were looking at, but to me the positivity was in the fact that people are subscribing within the first two weeks. So what's the point in extending that two weeks longer if 80% of people are subscribing in the first week ? That obviously means the vast majority who are going to become members have made their decision long before the trial is over.

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1. Jagex ... Legacy.

Every MMO killed off 3/5 of their player base from 2007 - 2013. I've made a thread about this before, the issue is with MMOs in general rather than just Runescape. Sure, Runescape made some mistakes along the way, but they made those mistakes for good reason, and many people started playing because of those mistakes as well.

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2. Jagex ... business.

Oh hold on, let me get my tin foil hat out. RS3 is still making them much much much more money than OSRS ever will. For a start off, the majority of the playerbase is over there. Secondly, they have microtransactions, and finally, RS3 is their actual game. 2012/2013 were Jagex' most profitable years in their history. Their mistakes evidently aren't that costly, and I highly doubt we'll see them going out of business any time soon.

23-Jul-2014 21:24:58

Daysi Darcey
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You've said more people have subbed to F2P since the trail? And yet, you're not making it F2P. I don't really know where your logic comes from but I guess it's Jagex's loss. The Real Ranqe of Old School RuneScape
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23-Jul-2014 21:34:53

Cosmic Wind
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You've said more people have subbed to F2P since the trail? And yet, you're not making it F2P. I don't really know where your logic comes from but I guess it's Jagex's loss.

Basically if f2p trail was unlimited most people will stay f2p for alonger period of time and would either quit the game are become members. Personally this is a smart business move on jagex part. Pay in 2 week are Gtfo! genius!
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23-Jul-2014 21:43:50

John Gotti
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John Gotti

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What makes ... outcomes.

Because that's the whole point of a business; to make profit and as much of it as possible. I know that people like to think that the world is nice and flowery and companies aren't trying to make as much money out of you as possible, but that's simply not true. F2P should be viewed as an investment, and they evidently don't think there's enough there for it to make a return, short term or long term.

I'm not sure what you were looking at, but to me the positivity was in the fact that people are subscribing within the first two weeks. So what's the point in extending that two weeks longer if 80% of people are subscribing in the first week ? That obviously means the vast majority who are going to become members have made their decision long before the trial is over.

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1. Jagex ... Legacy.

Every MMO killed off 3/5 of their player base from 2007 - 2013. I've made a thread about this before, the issue is with MMOs in general rather than just Runescape. Sure, Runescape made some mistakes along the way, but they made those mistakes for good reason, and many people started playing because of those mistakes as well.

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2. Jagex ... business.

Oh hold on, let me get my tin foil hat out. RS3 is still making them much much much more money than OSRS ever will. For a start off, the majority of the playerbase is over there. Secondly, they have microtransactions, and finally, RS3 is their actual game. 2012/2013 were Jagex' most profitable years in their history. Their mistakes evidently aren't that costly, and I highly doubt we'll see them going out of business any time soon.

Sometimes you have to invest in order to make more revenue in a few years time. Proud 28%er
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23-Jul-2014 21:57:52

Nattifftoffi

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"We were told by a lot of you that some of your friends did*’* want to come back and start a new account and this is the ideal opportunity to let them know that now they can."

You clearly don't understand that "didn't want to come back and start a new account" means that they don't want to start from scratch, and not just that they don't want to actually create a whole new account - they just don't want to start as a noob.

Anywho, this is a step in the right direction. I guess I get that you're taking a more cautious route rather than allowing full F2P access forever, since the reason that bots didn't skyrocket might just be that people don't want to make a new account every two weeks to bot 10k gold per hour - and you're probably still scared of a lot of people unsubscribing.

The thing is, though, that the reason the game needs a full F2P is for us to have noobs. Every game needs noobs, and currently this game doesn't welcome them. It only welcomes people who have played for a long time before EOC - who know the game and know it's worth the membership. I'm sure everyone here was a F2P player for the better part of a year before going P2P - I sure was.

So I'd just like to say that I'm pretty sure the gains from a full F2P would outweigh the cons. I'm pretty sure that at the very very most 10% of current subscribers would unsubscribe (could be a lot less though, like a per cent or two), and I'm sure new subscribers would skyrocket after a while, once the word got out of full F2P oldschool.

23-Jul-2014 22:01:53

Kingof Goons
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Why should member players that PvM and PvP unsubscribe when permanent F2P comes? That doesnt even make sense. Why should people limit theirselves to rune armour only etc, while they obviously play for member content..

Players are driven by many factors, price is one of those and many players like to take advantage of a F2P option if they are not going to be playing much (for example, going into an exam period, increased workload, going on holiday etc).

Isn't that a good thing? As long as they are playing runescape they will be much more likely to resub when they get the chance to play again. If they stop playing altogether they are less likely to resub when they get free time again.

23-Jul-2014 22:06:08

McDonalds
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Is this for real? The trial has been succesfull and yet your not adding it permanently? Why does it always has to be like this? Why would we cancel our memberships? Do you guys think we want to play f2p? If you unsubscribe and play f2p instead then you have some mental issues. This is incredible, f2p would have been amazing, the f2p pk community would get better, more players, NEW YOUNG PLAYERS.
But hey! Maybe we will unsubscribe and train at lesser demons with a rune scim, its pathetic and sad that after all these years you dont know how we work. We are all addicted and we love this game and we would not unsubscribe to play f2p ffs.

Whatever this is a big fat joke.

23-Jul-2014 22:19:45

John Gotti
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John Gotti

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Is this for real? The trial has been succesfull and yet your not adding it permanently? Why does it always has to be like this? Why would we cancel our memberships? Do you guys think we want to play f2p? If you unsubscribe and play f2p instead then you have some mental issues. This is incredible, f2p would have been amazing, the f2p pk community would get better, more players, NEW YOUNG PLAYERS.
But hey! Maybe we will unsubscribe and train at lesser demons with a rune scim, its pathetic and sad that after all these years you dont know how we work. We are all addicted and we love this game and we would not unsubscribe to play f2p ffs.

Whatever this is a big fat joke.

This decision was reached by the same people who thought EoC was a good idea. Proud 28%er
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23-Jul-2014 22:28:27

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