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Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Oooh. This is a very interesting thread indeed. So much constructive feedback from the majority of people who have responded thus far.

Firstly, Mexk I wanted to thank you for the time taken to write this post as well thought out criticism helps others to look at the facts and try to remove the intense emotion (as is frequently found on reddit) from the conversation.

Secondly I agree that transparency is something that is greatly supported by ANY player-base. In fact a game that listens to community suggestions often prospers. If we love the games we play im sure I am not along in saying that I am more inclined to spend my money on them. With this in mind it is easy to see why Jagex chose to emulate Epics Fortnite in terms of the battle RUNEpass. The quote from your post below is of particular importance (to me at least) in that it highlights a sentiment echoed by the majority of gamers...


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In general, please figure out what you actually want to sell and then work with us to find an acceptable balance between profitability and non-intrusive, non-destructive content. RunePass could very well be the key to achieving this, but you absolutely need to take on feedback and actually implement it. Communicate, communicate, and communicate.

You can do better, and we are willing to help.



So just wanted to chip in and say that I would very much welcome HONEST dialogue both on these very forums, but also in the realm of reddit on these matters. They may be harsh, but often true - there are many players there too, and the majority of the posts at the moment (constructive on the whole) are going unanswered by J-mods.

Please don't allow this marvelous game be consigned to the dustbin of history!

Frasepalm

Osborne did the communication part through Stream. Just some players got misdirected to "promise" he did not make

05-Jul-2018 01:03:55 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2018 01:04:37 by Dilbert2001

Miu

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Treasure Hunter keys expire 12 months after purchase.

I do encourage you to check the screenshots I included on the previous page, as well as to browse through Mod Osborne's posts on Reddit -- and watch the livestream if you have not already, though I am getting the impression you have -- to get a sense of why I have written my posts the way I have. If you continue to interpret things differently then that is obviously perfectly fine.

Thanks for your posts!

Correct me if I am wrong please. I saw 2 screen shots from Elite Stacks but not you. If these were the screenshots you meant then read them again carefully. Osborne (1) did not promise anything he said "IF" and (2) what he tried to see that they could "pull back" something like TH and he told the users to get that from the Live Stream.

What it turned out from the Live Stream was Osborne apparently said the "pull back" was a week of no TH promotion, which we are getting as of this second. So TH is being pulled back with a no promotion week. Pretty clear to me and again please read the important word "IF" before Osborne went on to the "pull back" part. It was not any promise to begin with.

No one in this thread has claimed that Mod Osborne's statements were promises. You seem to have severe difficulty following the conversation and staying on topic. Either that or you're deliberately misconstruing posts.

Either way, try reading more carefully and post a reply that's actually relevant instead of posting nonsensical platitudes about how jagex getting more money is always a good thing no matter how much damage is done to the game in the process.
Don't forget – RuneScape members get TWO free spins a day instead of the usual one!

05-Jul-2018 06:19:19

Telcis

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I see where you are coming from, but it is perhaps also worth looking into why specific quotes are being repeated again and again by players. I believe one explanation is that there are not many quotes to pick from in the first place. If every comment made on MTX is done as statements as opposed to a two-way dialogue, things are bound to be the way they are now. If, however, we advance to having a conversation with back and forth suggestions, then perhaps things would be vastly different.

It really is that sort of thing which I am hoping for. Communication is key.

I agree, but I think that is beyond most users.

05-Jul-2018 08:36:34

Mod Pebble

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Hey,

First of all, thanks for the critical feedback - It's really appreciated at this time.

While I cannot address any individual points I would like to take the time to say that we are reading all player feedback; both here and on Reddit and discussions are taking place internally.

Thanks,

Mod Pebble

05-Jul-2018 09:54:03

ELITE STACK
Mar Member 2014

ELITE STACK

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Thank you for responding. Treasure hunter allows you to max your account quickly allowing players to quit faster. Right now there are over 350 players with 5.4bxp 2 ironmen 1 hcim. Despite not having access to any mxt items those ironmen still managed to get 5.4b xp when there is no content at 200m skills. I see 30k players online per day and some of those players are ironmen. Not all of those 30k players buy into th. They only use their free/earned keys. From free keys alone I have probably gained gained over 150m direct xp from xp lamps and stars training skills with bxp.. This does not include the bxp I saved up for vic the trader buying outfit pieces and the bxp I currently have, which is at 14.8m


This also does not include the proteans and portables resource items and cash bag from free keys on th. Allowing all these resource items and gp rewards to enter the game doing nothing is arguably worse then botting. If th is removed I would gladly buy into runepass. I do think runepass needs a nerf on xp rewards though. I need my blue charms back.

05-Jul-2018 10:34:55

Xavathos
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Thank you for responding. Treasure hunter allows you to max your account quickly allowing players to quit faster. Right now there are over 350 players with 5.4bxp 2 ironmen 1 hcim. Despite not having access to any mxt items those ironmen still managed to get 5.4b xp when there is no content at 200m skills. I see 30k players online per day and some of those players are ironmen. Not all of those 30k players buy into th. They only use their free/earned keys. From free keys alone I have probably gained gained over 150m direct xp from xp lamps and stars training skills with bxp.. This does not include the bxp I saved up for vic the trader buying outfit pieces and the bxp I currently have, which is at 14.8m


This also does not include the proteans and portables resource items and cash bag from free keys on th. Allowing all these resource items and gp rewards to enter the game doing nothing is arguably worse then botting. If th is removed I would gladly buy into runepass. I do think runepass needs a nerf on xp rewards though.

It's the reason people call this EasyScape. You can get 200M exp in a skill in the time you'd spend getting it to 99 in OSRS, roughly. And that's mainly to do with Treasure Hunter.

I saw my Protean Trap stack went up to 11.5k over time and figured I'd need a lot more to even get 99 from the 84 I was at yesterday. 3 hours later I'm 90 and I have 10.5k left… imagine if I did this during dxp weekend.

I'm not complaining that it's too easy, some skills take way too long, like mining, fishing, woodcutting, compared to their smithing, cooking and fletching counterparts, but it is undeniable that Treasure Hunter offers an absolutely massive boost to xp gain across all skills. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

05-Jul-2018 11:29:23

Big Storms

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It is nice to see people writing constructive responses like these. As a similarly long time player I fully relate to how you feel about MTX in the game and also agree with all the points you have raised. Overall it is extremely clear that all the constructive revolve around changing two issues:
1. The game currently has way to many methods by which it tries to get money from the players
2. The extent of MTX is not in balance with the quantity and quality of updates

The changes you suggest for the monetization of runescape are admirable Mexk, but I have to sadly say they are also a bit naïve and idealistic. First of all and as other have pointed out; runepass was never mentioned as a possible replacement of Treasure Hunter. Instead, Mod Osborne said it “might” serve as a replacement of TH “promotions”. Keywords are “might” and “promotions”. Jagex specifically saying only promotions might be replaced already indicates TH is here to stay sadly (since it is such a good model for getting revenue). And the word “might” in my opinion indicates even that is not really going to happen.

Second and a bit of a repeat of my first point: asking for the removal of TH is simply something they will not listen to. It is harsh but it just makes too much money. The investors will not allow this to be adjusted, for that would too drastically affect those (dreaded) targets. Do not get me wrong, I have never indulged in buying a single spin (TH key, there is no difference) and would love the system to be removed. But I do not even see how they are currently capable of doing this, since it is their main monetization method.
I do however have the idealistic hope that at least the frequency can be decreased, though again I have pretty much given up on experience already, as that has pretty much been killed off already by the current promotions (it is beyond saving in my opinion). "One should not mindlessly follow gods or the godless:
follow
your
own
path
"
~Big Storms

05-Jul-2018 11:39:29

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