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Mexk, I don't think you will get a direct answer.
I think its the players/history which is the reason why they haven't been as open as you'd like in terms of goals and direction.
Whatever they say will be quoted 100's of times over and misinterpreted more so. If they don't say anything people cant hold their words against them. Which Jagex would never openly state.
Especially if they suggested the removal of TH if Runepass goes well.

I would like to see a move away from TH as that's just handing out rewards. The only place I can see it benefiting the game is at the end of quests and randomly obtained keys from playing the game. In short, I don't think rewards should require no input other than paying.

04-Jul-2018 23:40:19

Dilbert2001
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The facts are:

Jagex has just raised the price of TH keys a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex is running a brand new bonus TH key pack NOW.
Jagex has sold 3-2 and 6-5 Summer membership packages with TH keys packed in a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex just put TH on the brand new in game Calendar.

Would all these be scam to real world consumers if they suddendly say no more or suspension of TH? I think even Average Joes understand Jagex's plan. :D :D :D

04-Jul-2018 23:53:40

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The facts are:

Jagex has just raised the price of TH keys a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex is running a brand new bonus TH key pack NOW.
Jagex has sold 3-2 and 6-5 Summer membership packages with TH keys packed in a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex just put TH on the brand new in game Calendar.

Would all these be scam to real world consumers if they suddendly say no more or suspension of TH? I think even Average Joes understand Jagex's plan. :D :D :D


I am not entirely sure what you are saying, but if your concern is that disabling Treasure Hunter for the duration RunePass is being tested in then you definitely have a valid point. However, the sole reason why I suggested doing so in the first place is because the only way you can ensure your data is not skewed when gauging the impact of RunePass would be if the only thing available was RunePass.

Furthermore, as I wrote to Molly on the previous page, say Jagex did pause Treasure Hunter for the duration of the experiment, then the missed keys could simply be applied either as a pack at once to be used whenever, or distributed as double keys throughout the subsequent 14 days much like how the previous weeks had double keys.
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05-Jul-2018 00:01:09 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2018 00:02:31 by Mexk

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The facts are:

Jagex has just raised the price of TH keys a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex is running a brand new bonus TH key pack NOW.
Jagex has sold 3-2 and 6-5 Summer membership packages with TH keys packed in a couple of weeks ago.
Jagex just put TH on the brand new in game Calendar.

Would all these be scam to real world consumers if they suddendly say no more or suspension of TH? I think even Average Joes understand Jagex's plan. :D :D :D


I am not entirely sure what you are saying, but if your concern is that disabling Treasure Hunter for the duration RunePass is being tested in then you definitely have a valid point. However, the sole reason why I suggested doing so in the first place is because the only way you can ensure your data is not skewed when gauging the impact of RunePass would be if the only thing available was RunePass.

Furthermore, as I wrote to Molly on the previous page, say Jagex did pause Treasure Hunter for the test duration, then the missed keys could simply be applied either as a pack at once to be used whenever, or distributed as double keys throughout the subsequent 14 days much like how the previous weeks had double keys.


This is bait and switch. Very shady if no unlawful business practice in many countries, UK included.

And more importantly, all these recent TH sales and new in game updates all pointed to Jagex's crystal clear stance on promoting TH, not removing or replacing it like you (or other people) claimed they said.

05-Jul-2018 00:03:48 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2018 00:05:57 by Dilbert2001

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Mexk, I don't think you will get a direct answer.
I think its the players/history which is the reason why they haven't been as open as you'd like in terms of goals and direction.
Whatever they say will be quoted 100's of times over and misinterpreted more so. If they don't say anything people cant hold their words against them. Which Jagex would never openly state.
Especially if they suggested the removal of TH if Runepass goes well.

I would like to see a move away from TH as that's just handing out rewards. The only place I can see it benefiting the game is at the end of quests and randomly obtained keys from playing the game. In short, I don't think rewards should require no input other than paying.


I see where you are coming from, but it is perhaps also worth looking into why specific quotes are being repeated again and again by players. I believe one explanation is that there are not many quotes to pick from in the first place. If every comment made on MTX is done as statements as opposed to a two-way dialogue, things are bound to be the way they are now. If, however, we advance to having a conversation with back and forth suggestions, then perhaps things would be vastly different.

It really is that sort of thing which I am hoping for. Communication is key.
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05-Jul-2018 00:04:41

Dilbert2001
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"Communication is key."


Are real world sales and in game update TH actions as I mentioned in my last post already did the communication, not just by words, but through FACTUAL and Legally Bound consumer actions clearly did the communication?

05-Jul-2018 00:11:19 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2018 00:11:43 by Dilbert2001

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This is bait and switch. Very shady if no unlawful business practice in many countries, UK included.


I understand.

Respectfully, all I am doing is to question the current approach. My main argument is that you ought to heavily prioritise data integrity when you decide to rely on aggregated statistics as a mean of making and justifying decisions. In that context, disabling Treasure Hunter to gauge the actual impact of a new, different monetisation model makes a whole lot of sense, but is obviously just one of many different alternatives. It just so happens to be the one which I found the most logical, and thus the one I listed explicitly. Now whether doing exactly as I propose is legally sound is an entirely different issue, and one of which I have no knowledge nor relevant experience.
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05-Jul-2018 00:11:55 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2018 00:14:33 by Mexk

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This is well thought out feedback and as such will not get a Jmod response.


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Even a quality, well informed post by a fmod will not ever be responded to by a jmod.


Understandable reaction, both of you, though I choose to remain optimistic :) .


I am ***NOT*** a Jmod.

However, as a random person in the world, not just a player. I won't even bother to respond to accusations like this without exact facts being provided:

"In this regard, I think the one thing I and many others are missing the most is honesty and transparency. Tell us why you are doing what you do in regards to monetisation as opposed to keeping us in the dark. If RunePass, for instance, really is an experiment to potentially replace Treasure Hunter entirely, why is it not presented as such?"

My suggestion is while expressing your idea is fine as a player, but provide your points for the arguments/discussions, but not accusations without factual references. Did Jagex actually say "RunePass really is an experiment to potentially replace Treasure Hunter entirely"?


Sure, sorry for not replying to your other posts before.

I am basing my wording on the way I interpreted what was said on stream in conjunction with the following comments Mod Osborne has made on Reddit throughout today. They are somewhat buried on the threads, but if you go to his profile, you can find them all and their associated context. I have tried including the most relevant comments in each screenshot.





I would support runepass replacing th for mxt. I think they should reduce xp rewards and replace with cosmetics though to prevent everyone leveling up too quickly.
I need my blue charms back.

05-Jul-2018 00:14:19

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This is bait and switch. Very shady if no unlawful business practice in many countries, UK included.


I understand.

Respectfully, all I am doing is to question the current approach. My main argument is that you ought to heavily prioritise data integrity when you decide to rely on aggregated statistics to make decisions. In that context, disabling Treasure Hunter to gauge the actual impact of a new, different monetisation model makes a whole lot of sense. Now whether doing so is legally sound is an entirely different issue, and one which I have no knowledge of.


Whether you have legal knowledge or not, don't you see Jagex's actions are on promoting RS through TH, not removing, suspending or replacing it? If you still don't, that's OK. But to me it is very clear they communicated their plan on TH through loud actions already.

05-Jul-2018 00:18:40

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