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Pera
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So MTX topic is so delicate it needs to be "hidden" in the forums? What are the reasons this statement is not posted on the front page for everyone to see?

As MTX are just as integral part of MMOs nowdays as updates, patches etc. I think it deserves to be posted on the main site's front page for everyone to see and shape their opinion - and not just the active ones who happen to follow the forums regularly. Cool clan: The Rune Lounge

23-Oct-2017 19:49:21 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2017 19:50:28 by Pera

Dilbert2001
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Cryo said :
Dilbert2001 said :
As a 15 year veteran maxed players, I think Treasure Hunter hardly gives any xp or bonus xp comparing to normal game play. For instance, a daily challenge of Dungeoneering gives me 170k xp in 3-4 minutes and you can also do Sink Hole for similar xp each trip. And then you have weekly and monthly activities that give mega xp... such as the Char Training Weekly that gives upward of 700k xp.

Now, look at what you get from a usual TH xp lamp? 8.6k xp... Even if you are lucky you get a "large" one that is still only 40kxp. That's hardly anything.

Rest assured, I think Jagex is selling xp and it is not going to be changed since every other online game is doing the same thing and they sell for more, but the complaint is just overblown since the xp they sell is just a drop in the bucket comparing to just a few minutes of regular game play.

It isn't one single lamp that people are upset about. It's the fact that as long as you're throwing money at Jagex, you can pull 15m+ xp/hr on skills such as Divination & Farming. There isn't a skill in the game I can think of barring Construction & Summoning on dxpw that can come close to that via normal gameplay.

It is the same things in other games if you are willing to spend a lot of money but how many of you are actually Bill Gates and Warren Buffet? In many other games with the likes of Bonds/Tokens/Plex, their lockboxes contain not only xp but also items of endgame or near endgame quality. Some even sell your near maxed level characters directly for real money.

23-Oct-2017 19:51:43 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2017 19:52:34 by Dilbert2001

Cryo
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Dilbert2001 said :
Cryo said :
Dilbert2001 said :
As a 15 year veteran maxed players, I think Treasure Hunter hardly gives any xp or bonus xp comparing to normal game play. For instance, a daily challenge of Dungeoneering gives me 170k xp in 3-4 minutes and you can also do Sink Hole for similar xp each trip. And then you have weekly and monthly activities that give mega xp... such as the Char Training Weekly that gives upward of 700k xp.

Now, look at what you get from a usual TH xp lamp? 8.6k xp... Even if you are lucky you get a "large" one that is still only 40kxp. That's hardly anything.

Rest assured, I think Jagex is selling xp and it is not going to be changed since every other online game is doing the same thing and they sell for more, but the complaint is just overblown since the xp they sell is just a drop in the bucket comparing to just a few minutes of regular game play.

It isn't one single lamp that people are upset about. It's the fact that as long as you're throwing money at Jagex, you can pull 15m+ xp/hr on skills such as Divination & Farming. There isn't a skill in the game I can think of barring Construction & Summoning on dxpw that can come close to that via normal gameplay.

It is the same things in other games if you are willing to spend a lot of money but how many of you are actually Bill Gates and Warren Buffet? In many other games with the likes of Bonds/Tokens/Plex, their lockboxes contain not only xp but also items of endgame or near endgame quality. Some even sell your near maxed level characters directly for real money.

All of these other games haven't gone out of their way to say (origionally) that they'll never use MTX and more recently (multiple times) say that they're going to cut back on them without actually doing anything at all to cut back and, in fact, have increased the amount of MTX they've put into the game. ~
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23-Oct-2017 19:56:23

Vaseth
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jagex's investors: "you seem to have a goose that lays golden eggs. cut it open so we can see where the gold come from"

jagex: "ok sir"

jagex investors: "the goose seems to have stopped laying golden eggs now you cut it open. start selling roast goose"

jagex: "yes sir"

jagex (to players): "unfortunately the farm cant survive without roasting the goose and selling it off till theres nothing left"

this is what i think of every time i hear that "MTX is a major part of the game’s income and directly relates to the amount we can invest into its continued development. Without that income stream we would have to massively cut back on investment into the game and we feel that would be very damaging for RuneScape and the community." BS

game had more, better, better balanced content updates, and less bug/glitches BEFORE MTX came to RS, and all the old players know it

just admit that you have to line your investors pockets and are selling out the game to do so, because they will sell off the company (possibly asset stripping it) if it dosnt make them enough profit

at least you would be believable then, and even if people didnt like it, its easier to swallow a hard truth than a stinking great lie

23-Oct-2017 19:58:11 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2017 19:59:13 by Vaseth

lythri saga
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Pera said :
So MTX topic is so delicate it needs to be "hidden" in the forums? What are the reasons this statement is not posted on the front page for everyone to see?

As MTX are just as integral part of MMOs nowdays as updates, patches etc. I think it deserves to be posted on the main site's front page for everyone to see and shape their opinion - and not just the active ones who happen to follow the forums regularly.
+1

23-Oct-2017 19:58:41

fatenuff

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same old same old,
'While MTX in RuneScape is essential to maintaining our development teams and the content they produce, we believe it can be refined (and the harsher edges smoothed out) without significant dents to income'
when are you going to realise that if you don't stop all this BS that the game will die out faster than if there was no MTX in game. GET RID OF PAY TO WIN MTX its killing off this game and taking all the value out of actually playing the game

23-Oct-2017 19:58:43

Transcendent

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You can help us too, by making the RuneScape community the most positive and welcoming place possible. After all, the more players we have the less reliance there is on MTX revenue.


If you want more players, you have to deliver on both the quality and quantity of updates, and you have done neither this year as I am sure you are well aware.

The game has been dominated by MTX updates to the point it seemed Jagex cared more about MTX than the main game, and decided to focus almost exclusively ion MTX while letting game update quality and quality slide.

We saw an increase in OSRS members and a Decrease in RS3 players because OSRS delivered with game updates players wanted while the RS3 team delivered mostly MTX updates while neglecting regular game updates, and when we did see updates they were mediocre at best, full of bugs, and many looked thrown together from old assets with a lack of care for quality.

VIP was forgotten many times, competition threads opened late, closed early, or forgotten until the next month, posts from players not answered for weeks, until finally I went on Reddit to get Jagex attention.

Why do players have to go to reddit to get a Jmod to answer what is going on, why are no Jmods on their own forums? Hi.

23-Oct-2017 19:59:06

D E L A Y
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D E L A Y

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This thread should be on the front page of RuneScape so everyone can see. I feel like it's hidden away here.

It's also disappointing they didn't discuss this on a live stream or make a video talking about it. :( _.•´¯`•._.•´¯`•.* D E L A Y *.•´¯`•._.•´¯`•._

23-Oct-2017 20:03:56

Vaseth
Dec Member 2023

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Transcendent said :
and when we did see updates they were mediocre at best, full of bugs, and many looked thrown together from old assets with a lack of care for quality.

i came to the conclusion they they intentionally leave bugs in updates for 2 main reasons

1. they dont have to employ as many QA testers

2. once the player base has done the QA testing for them, then can fix the bugs they left, and call it a "amazing bumper filled patch week full of amazing brilliant patches and fix's!"

this means they can pretend to have given us actual content updates while saving themselves on QA at the same time!

win win!

23-Oct-2017 20:04:06

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