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@ ELITE STACK , Actually, the concern is that flip/merch/investing is overpowered, and your anecdote appears to prove that point.
You also haven't addressed the other questions, nor have you addressed the position that these are not trades but rather gifts since that was the rational for allowing "unbalanced trades."
As such, these exchanges shouldn't be tallied in player run price checking threads as trades because they are gifts, acts of philanthropy.
Otherwise, your anecdote also confirms that flipping/merch/investing is a type of gambling.
Unofficial Player Run Games of Chance
You must not advertise, organise, promote, or take part in any unofficial player run games of chance where in-game money or items are staked on the outcome of a random in-game activity. This includes, but is not limited to, all types of chance games where players trade an amount of in game money or items with the expectation that they will receive in game money or items in return based on the outcome of a game of chance or similar activity.
It is also against the rules to bet on the outcome of another player's activities within the game, for example: how long it will take to kill a monster, or the outcome of a duel (commonly referred to as "commission staking"
.
This rule is in place to protect people who have worked hard for their in game wealth and to make sure that they don't fall foul of scams run by unscrupulous players.
Even if a player does intend to complete the promised transaction, it is often the case that the rules of the chosen game of chance are not clear, or the game of chance being played is not fair and heavily stacked in the favour of one particular side.
In addition, players who promote and offer trust trades often spam the chat window making it hard for regular players to enjoy the social experience of game play, carry out legitimate trading and enjoy the busy communal areas of the game as intended.
So, it's also a problem of gambling. 'o.0'
You also haven't addressed the other questions, nor have you addressed the position that these are not trades but rather gifts since that was the rational for allowing "unbalanced trades."
As such, these exchanges shouldn't be tallied in player run price checking threads as trades because they are gifts, acts of philanthropy.
Otherwise, your anecdote also confirms that flipping/merch/investing is a type of gambling.
Unofficial Player Run Games of Chance
You must not advertise, organise, promote, or take part in any unofficial player run games of chance where in-game money or items are staked on the outcome of a random in-game activity. This includes, but is not limited to, all types of chance games where players trade an amount of in game money or items with the expectation that they will receive in game money or items in return based on the outcome of a game of chance or similar activity.
It is also against the rules to bet on the outcome of another player's activities within the game, for example: how long it will take to kill a monster, or the outcome of a duel (commonly referred to as "commission staking"
.
This rule is in place to protect people who have worked hard for their in game wealth and to make sure that they don't fall foul of scams run by unscrupulous players.
Even if a player does intend to complete the promised transaction, it is often the case that the rules of the chosen game of chance are not clear, or the game of chance being played is not fair and heavily stacked in the favour of one particular side.
In addition, players who promote and offer trust trades often spam the chat window making it hard for regular players to enjoy the social experience of game play, carry out legitimate trading and enjoy the busy communal areas of the game as intended.
So, it's also a problem of gambling. 'o.0'
Something interesting happened.
19-Nov-2019 20:34:01
@ Theos, Actually, your language about "normalizing" merching, flipping, investing, or whatever you want to call it, and that you've avoided responding to the questions raised shows your bias.
Plus, the title of your thread also reveals your bias, "Stop TH Promo Oversaturation," is there really an oversaturation? Where's the data?
{Edit for clarification:} Data regarding the actual volume, quantity, number of units? Just because an item is cheap/expensive isn't necessarily reflective of an oversaturation problem?
Also, note that primarily that these tokens are offered to everyone for their FashionScape enjoyment rather than a gp redistribution trinket that's only used by flip/merch/investors.
If you want to agree to disagree that's fine, but Jagex themselves have often described things as "overpowered" and they have "nerfed" (as well as buffed) many aspects of the game with the aim of achieving "game balance."
Additionally, if there is an oversaturation of tokens, here's an excellent suggestion:
Immortalized said :
i agree, you should be able to use divination to convert tokens too. like i should be able to make a black santa hat token with enough tokens.
With Divination's Transmutation could be used to make Black Santa Hats!
But, many questions remain, flip/merch/investing is entangled with price manipulation, it looks a lot like a type of gambling, why do you believe that merching is a game mechanic? 'o.0'
Plus, the title of your thread also reveals your bias, "Stop TH Promo Oversaturation," is there really an oversaturation? Where's the data?
{Edit for clarification:} Data regarding the actual volume, quantity, number of units? Just because an item is cheap/expensive isn't necessarily reflective of an oversaturation problem?
Also, note that primarily that these tokens are offered to everyone for their FashionScape enjoyment rather than a gp redistribution trinket that's only used by flip/merch/investors.
If you want to agree to disagree that's fine, but Jagex themselves have often described things as "overpowered" and they have "nerfed" (as well as buffed) many aspects of the game with the aim of achieving "game balance."
Additionally, if there is an oversaturation of tokens, here's an excellent suggestion:
Immortalized said :
i agree, you should be able to use divination to convert tokens too. like i should be able to make a black santa hat token with enough tokens.
With Divination's Transmutation could be used to make Black Santa Hats!
But, many questions remain, flip/merch/investing is entangled with price manipulation, it looks a lot like a type of gambling, why do you believe that merching is a game mechanic? 'o.0'
Something interesting happened.
19-Nov-2019 22:08:48 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2019 23:46:37 by Kalea Sprite
Kalea Sprite
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@ Theos, Actually, your language about "normalizing" merching, flipping, investing, or whatever you want to call it, and that you've avoided responding to the questions raised shows your bias.
Plus, the title of your thread also reveals your bias, "Stop TH Promo Oversaturation," is there really an oversaturation? Where's the data?
{Edit for clarification:} Data regarding the actual volume, quantity, number of units? Just because an item is cheap/expensive isn't necessarily reflective of an oversaturation problem?
Also, note that primarily that these tokens are offered to everyone for their FashionScape enjoyment rather than a gp redistribution trinket that's only used by flip/merch/investors.
If you want to agree to disagree that's fine, but Jagex themselves have often described things as "overpowered" and they have "nerfed" (as well as buffed) many aspects of the game with the aim of achieving "game balance."
Additionally, if there is an oversaturation of tokens, here's an excellent suggestion:
Immortalized said :
i agree, you should be able to use divination to convert tokens too. like i should be able to make a black santa hat token with enough tokens.
With Divination's Transmutation could be used to make Black Santa Hats!
But, many questions remain, flip/merch/investing is entangled with price manipulation, it looks a lot like a type of gambling, why do you believe that merching is a game mechanic?
Even with my own biases, I can advocate for other communities and even support the implementation of updates which don't affect my gameplay. I advocate for PvM drops being reevaluated, and reimagined for the wellbeing of the economy and to make it worthwhile for players.
There are alot of folks who only look at the scope of things from their gameplay, and their perspective. If something isn't important to them, then they don't see value in it.
@ Theos, Actually, your language about "normalizing" merching, flipping, investing, or whatever you want to call it, and that you've avoided responding to the questions raised shows your bias.
Plus, the title of your thread also reveals your bias, "Stop TH Promo Oversaturation," is there really an oversaturation? Where's the data?
{Edit for clarification:} Data regarding the actual volume, quantity, number of units? Just because an item is cheap/expensive isn't necessarily reflective of an oversaturation problem?
Also, note that primarily that these tokens are offered to everyone for their FashionScape enjoyment rather than a gp redistribution trinket that's only used by flip/merch/investors.
If you want to agree to disagree that's fine, but Jagex themselves have often described things as "overpowered" and they have "nerfed" (as well as buffed) many aspects of the game with the aim of achieving "game balance."
Additionally, if there is an oversaturation of tokens, here's an excellent suggestion:
Immortalized said :
i agree, you should be able to use divination to convert tokens too. like i should be able to make a black santa hat token with enough tokens.
With Divination's Transmutation could be used to make Black Santa Hats!
But, many questions remain, flip/merch/investing is entangled with price manipulation, it looks a lot like a type of gambling, why do you believe that merching is a game mechanic?
Even with my own biases, I can advocate for other communities and even support the implementation of updates which don't affect my gameplay. I advocate for PvM drops being reevaluated, and reimagined for the wellbeing of the economy and to make it worthwhile for players.
There are alot of folks who only look at the scope of things from their gameplay, and their perspective. If something isn't important to them, then they don't see value in it.
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