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Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Apex Legends is only selling cosmetics now? Uh Oh! Somebody don't know what Apex Packs are then. :D

Uh oh! Did somebody say Apex Legends was doing poorly with their loot boxes and tried to "prove" it with a video but uh oh... it turned out they said their players were not overwhelmingly buying their SKINS? :D

Uh Oh! Fallout 76 was doing poorly when they only sold cosmetics without stats, that's why they also sell xp buffs on top of cosmetics with stats, better known as gear, in most other games. That's right, cosmetics without stats are doing poorly. :D

Bungie is already cutting back on anti-consumer practices? When are they cutting? They are cutting their scheduled updates. Uh Oh! Somebody is running out of money to pay their devs. :(


https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1142467453198512128

Because skins are the bulk of the revenue so saying its skins sales not doing well is equivalent to its sales in general not doing well. If a fruit parlor has poor fruit sales but its smoothies and yogurt are selling well, is the business really doing well?

One look at the replies to that PC gamer tweet about Bungie delaying content to tackle crunch shows generally positive reception towards the decision, lmao thanks for showing that Bungie is not only becoming more pro-consumer but also pro-game developers, thanks for making my point about Bungie leaving Activision being a good thing even better!


Where did EA show how much money they made from skins? Please show. :D :D :D

Why did Bungie have to delay projects instead of hiring more employees like Jagex if they can afford? Too bad, Jagex is rich thanks to MTX but Bungie is poor despite of not only not reducing any MTX as players claimed but also turning free content into DLC MTX.

27-Jun-2019 18:09:37

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :
Where did EA show how much money they made from skins? Please show. :D :D :D

Why did Bungie have to delay projects instead of hiring more employees like Jagex if they can afford? Too bad, Jagex is rich thanks to MTX but Bungie is poor despite of not only not reducing any MTX as players claimed but also turning free content into DLC MTX.

Weren't you the one who told me to wait for the quarterly report? Why are you in such a hurry now to see the financial statement?

Jagex hired 100 new employees but updates, bug fixes, QOL updates are still coming out at a snails pace! Speaking of Bungie, they sure as hell are glad they're not part of Activision anymore! Devs at Treyarch are treated like slaves!

https://kotaku.com/the-human-cost-of-call-of-duty-black-ops-4-1835859016

If Jagex is rich, then so is Activision! But somehow Activision can't pay their QA testers and contractors a reasonable wage? Hmmm...

If Jagex is so rich, then how come they are having so much trouble hiring?


So do go on and tell me that Bungie is doing poorly and Jagex is rich while comp cape rework was completely scrapped for something so so so much smaller in scope.
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29-Jun-2019 21:28:05 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2019 21:28:39 by UrekMazino

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Where did EA show how much money they made from skins? Please show. :D :D :D

Why did Bungie have to delay projects instead of hiring more employees like Jagex if they can afford? Too bad, Jagex is rich thanks to MTX but Bungie is poor despite of not only not reducing any MTX as players claimed but also turning free content into DLC MTX.

Weren't you the one who told me to wait for the quarterly report? Why are you in such a hurry now to see the financial statement?

Jagex hired 100 new employees but updates, bug fixes, QOL updates are still coming out at a snails pace! Speaking of Bungie, they sure as hell are glad they're not part of Activision anymore! Devs at Treyarch are treated like slaves!

https://kotaku.com/the-human-cost-of-call-of-duty-black-ops-4-1835859016

If Jagex is rich, then so is Activision! But somehow Activision can't pay their QA testers and contractors a reasonable wage? Hmmm...

If Jagex is so rich, then how come they are having so much trouble hiring?


So do go on and tell me that Bungie is doing poorly and Jagex is rich while comp cape rework was completely scrapped for something so so so much smaller in scope.


ATVI fired employees despite of making record money. Bugie overworked their employees, have no money to hire more and did not reduce MTX as you claimed but in fact turning free content into DLC MTX and milk it like GW2.

Bungie still has the cash shop, the loot boxes and the cosmetics. They are ADDING another layer of DLC MTX, not "reducing" it like you claimed. It is totally unethical just like GW2 and will fail like GW2. :D :D :D

Jagex has "trouble" hiring UK empolyees just like other tech heavy companies - BREXIT.

Players asked for reduced scope in Comp Cape Rework, not Jagex. So? Players did not ask for many many things like POF but Jagex added them as bonus. So?

29-Jun-2019 22:14:00

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :

ATVI fired many of Blizzard's employees, and now WoW patch 8.2 has come out so much later compared to all of its previous patches as a result. Oof. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make regarding Activision.

Lmao, you have a problem with Bungie charging a the price for
ONE single
season to access the most recent content but no problem with the previous business model while under Activision where you need to pay for the
ALL
previous season passes to access the most current season/content??. This ala carte option will save players money, not cost more!

Also the new business model of going F2P wouldn't have been possible under Activision, are you telling me that going F2P is not consumer friendly?

Destiny 2 is getting cross save! You can play on different platforms and still access the same account! Yet another pro-consumer move!
Also, I have never said that MTX in destiny 2 will decrease, you are making a false accusation here unless you can quote me saying that MTX is being reduced. I have only ever said
P2W
MTX has been reduced and more pro-consumer practices are being implemented.

Not only are you making false accusation about me, you are also making false statements about Bungie and Destiny 2 because they are actually reducing the amount of MTX, not just P2W MTX.
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30-Jun-2019 10:23:59 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2019 10:24:33 by UrekMazino

UrekMazino
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- Shaders for gear customisation becoming non-consumable so that the players' won't have to keep buying is totally not a reduction in MTX.

- Armours in the EV store are becoming ornaments which allows players to override their actual gear with the store bought gear making the store bought gear purely cosmetic. As opposed to what it was before, the store bought gear having actual perks that are weak but also can't be used to override other gear so that means if you want to look nice by wearing the store bought gear, you had to shell out money to first buy the gear, then more to upgrade the gear into a usable state. Any bought gear from the store will of course become ornaments as well.

- Can't buy gameplay affecting items from the EV store anymore.

- Loot boxes now come with bright dust, if you don't want a particular item or have a duplicate item from the loot box, you can turn them into bright dust! Which can be used to buy other items instead of having duplicates gathering dust. PLUS , you get to earn bright dust from playing the game, so its not just another paid currency! That means LESS P2W, less MTX!

- In addition to the bright dust, they're also making other items useful for similar purposes to the bright dust: Glimmer and Legendary shards, 2 things that players have too much of and would like to get rid of.

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So not only is Destiny 2 becoming F2P, its purchasable content becoming ala carte instead of forcing players to buy ALL past content, MTX is also being reduced, P2W mechanics being ELIMINATED .

Its no wonder why its regained so many players. Destiny 2 player count regularly goes over 1m now, up from 600k before it broke off from Activision.
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30-Jun-2019 10:24:40

UrekMazino
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I'm gonna need to you cite your source that Brexit is the cause of Jagex having trouble hiring more developers. Especially considering it hasn't even happened yet and is currently in a state of limbo. Brexit is not the cause, and even if it is, it is not the main contributor because I don't see other studios having trouble hiring.

Comp cape rework doc was far simpler than M&S rework, yet no one complained about the M&S rework? Are you sure people were complaining about the complexity of the rework or were the complaining about not having a clear definition for what reqs should be under each cape? Because the Jmods definitely did not give any sort of indication for what should be a req.

Also, assuming that people managed to get Jagex simplify the comp rework with a few complaints, then Jagex would've reverted back to the old design because way more people complained about the simplified design. Take 1 look at the recent game changes forums and tell me how many threads are there about the simplified design, and then tell me how many threads complained about the old design (hint there were 0 threads on the old design). Take one look at Reddit, one glance at twitter, gloss over the RS discord, and tell me if player complained about the old design and got Jagex to change, how come the simplified design which was way more complaints didn't get Jagex to make any change?
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30-Jun-2019 10:36:18

UrekMazino
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You clearly aren't up-to-date with Bungie and Destiny 2, it might be worthwhile to study the subject a little before boldly making incorrect statements about the game such as:
Dilbert2001 said :
They are ADDING another layer of DLC MTX, not "reducing" it like you claimed. It is totally unethical just like GW2 and will fail like GW2. :D :D :D

Because if reaching new peaks in terms of active player count means failing, then I Bungie should keep trying their best to "fail".
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30-Jun-2019 11:04:39

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
You clearly aren't up-to-date with Bungie and Destiny 2, it might be worthwhile to study the subject a little before boldly making incorrect statements about the game such as:
Dilbert2001 said :
They are ADDING another layer of DLC MTX, not "reducing" it like you claimed. It is totally unethical just like GW2 and will fail like GW2. :D :D :D

Because if reaching new peaks in terms of active player count means failing, then I Bungie should keep trying their best to "fail".


Players returned for a game update briefly doesn't mean they get more players and more revenue at all.

GW2 showed the same pattern, so does WoW players returned the first month after an expansion or a bigger update.

30-Jun-2019 16:47:06

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
I'm gonna need to you cite your source that Brexit is the cause of Jagex having trouble hiring more developers. Especially considering it hasn't even happened yet and is currently in a state of limbo. Brexit is not the cause, and even if it is, it is not the main contributor because I don't see other studios having trouble hiring.

Comp cape rework doc was far simpler than M&S rework, yet no one complained about the M&S rework? Are you sure people were complaining about the complexity of the rework or were the complaining about not having a clear definition for what reqs should be under each cape? Because the Jmods definitely did not give any sort of indication for what should be a req.

Also, assuming that people managed to get Jagex simplify the comp rework with a few complaints, then Jagex would've reverted back to the old design because way more people complained about the simplified design. Take 1 look at the recent game changes forums and tell me how many threads are there about the simplified design, and then tell me how many threads complained about the old design (hint there were 0 threads on the old design). Take one look at Reddit, one glance at twitter, gloss over the RS discord, and tell me if player complained about the old design and got Jagex to change, how come the simplified design which was way more complaints didn't get Jagex to make any change?


Go check the comments on the Comp Cape rework. Your comment doesn't represent everybody's. Jagex just did what more players asked for. They did not "reduce" the scope by their own sole decision.

30-Jun-2019 16:48:28

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :


So not only is Destiny 2 becoming F2P, its purchasable content becoming ala carte instead of forcing players to buy ALL past content, MTX is also being reduced, P2W mechanics being ELIMINATED .

Its no wonder why its regained so many players. Destiny 2 player count regularly goes over 1m now, up from 600k before it broke off from Activision.


Ha! What a joke you quoted the "reduction" of MTX and P2W with the EV store changes! They are not reducing all the loot boxes and EV stores items that can be bought with real money. They are just making them either very very hard or even impossible to obtain from playing the game. They changed it to force-to-pay-or-bust. Same thing with DLCs. If you don't pay real money, you are EXCLUDED for the that content. It is FORCE-TO-PAY but not reduction of MTX.

Read that furious comment from their angered players to sum it up:

I like having all the cool sparrows, the cool emotes, and even the really cool ornaments. In past seasons, I liked going to the store that week to see if something was being sold that I just couldn't miss out on. In this manner, I got nearly everything I wanted for that season, just by playing the game. I'd occasionally spend money on Silver, but only for a couple of weapon ornaments (Whisper and Outbreak).

But these changes you've made to Eververse have effectively killed any chance of me spending my Bright Dust freely.

"By not letting me earn the cool things I want, you are forcing me to have to spend my Bright Dust. But by doing so, you're also forcing me to be much more selective in what I spend it on."


https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/bx2j6n/bungie_if_your_goal_was_to_get_me_to_spend_my_25k/

Thank God Jagex is so generous almost everything can be obtained by playing the game. There is no force-to-pay in Runescape. :D

30-Jun-2019 16:55:04

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