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Dilbert2001 said :
Modern time players just stay online less often.


It doesn't mean they spend less time online than "old timers". They actually spend much more time online. Wasting your time in Facebook or other social media site is also being online.

The difference is that they don't like to dedicate themselves to one game. There's so many options nowadays, youngsters prefer fast-paced, easily completable games. Not only games, there's social media sites, so many things for them to do.

But saying younger people spend less time online these days is plain wrong. They literally live being online all the time thanks to smartphones.

02-Sep-2019 11:13:20

UrekMazino
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If player engagement isn't important, then why are games being designed to keep you online for as long as possible? Just look at 2K's NBA, or season passes etc. Because how can players engage in your MTX if they're not online? °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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02-Sep-2019 12:56:11

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
If player engagement isn't important, then why are games being designed to keep you online for as long as possible? Just look at 2K's NBA, or season passes etc. Because how can players engage in your MTX if they're not online?


RS3 is not a game designed to keep players online as long as possible. In fact, there is a 5 minute inactivity auto-logout mechanism in place.

Jagex's MTX doesn't take lengthy online activity to participate. Typically it only takes few seconds to use a TH key. In the case of SGS, the players don't even access the store from inside the game. It is a webpage store. Same thing for Bonds, players buy bonds from Jagex's website, not in game.

All in all, Jagex have not designed RS3 as a game for MTX at all. Therefore in-game player engagement is not that important for their MTX sales. However, perhaps they have seen they might have missed a lot of opportunities to get more in-game purchases, they began to implement more live events with Runecoin sales attached recently just like their peers.

It is a total different story in Take Two's games like NBA2K and GTA. TTWO's games are heavily relied on in-game purchases. Of course, players need to buy players to compete with the others. Of course, they need to stay in-game to compete. Therefore player participation is very important for TCGs like FIFA and the 2K sport games. Likewise, GTA just got huge recently because of Diamond Casino. Of course players need to stay in-game to "gamble" in Diamond Casino.

If Jagex took the MTX designs of Take Two, the first thing they should do is to remove the 5 minute inactivity logout mechanism. Then they would need to add more competitive game modes with MTX attached like TCG system and Runecoin backed live events. They would also add a Gielinor Casino too. :D

02-Sep-2019 16:44:21

Dilbert2001
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Teutotes said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Modern time players just stay online less often.


It doesn't mean they spend less time online than "old timers". They actually spend much more time online. Wasting your time in Facebook or other social media site is also being online.

The difference is that they don't like to dedicate themselves to one game. There's so many options nowadays, youngsters prefer fast-paced, easily completable games. Not only games, there's social media sites, so many things for them to do.

But saying younger people spend less time online these days is plain wrong. They literally live being online all the time thanks to smartphones.


I am talking about players are spending less time in RS3 and OSRS, the games. They might be watching RS3 or OSRS streams. They might be posting in the RSOF or Facebook. They might even be playing games by other developers. But their presence is not shown in the meaningless Jagex "playerbase" that certain users care so much. To Jagex, it won't matter at all if their players spend more time watching live streams, posting in Facebook or even playing games by other developers, as long as they still pay Jagex their membership fee, buy some bonds or TH key, etc.

02-Sep-2019 16:50:04

UrekMazino
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The auto logout is precisely showing that the gameplay design is meant to keep players online for as long as possible. If the design wasn't to keep the players online, then there will be no reason to stay online, thus an auto logout feature would be redundant. The feature is there to maintain game integrity (when it was implemented anyways), so that it doesn't give players who are afking too big of an advantage over active players.

So thanks for proving my point, as you so often do.

If TH isn't lengthy, then why did it take A friend 3 whole game days to finish spinning?

If player engagement is not important for MTX sales, then why is there such as thing as stars and BXP that REQUIRES players to still play and engage with the game in order to benefit from it?
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05-Sep-2019 08:06:53

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
The auto logout is precisely showing that the gameplay design is meant to keep players online for as long as possible. If the design wasn't to keep the players online, then there will be no reason to stay online, thus an auto logout feature would be redundant. The feature is there to maintain game integrity (when it was implemented anyways), so that it doesn't give players who are afking too big of an advantage over active players.

So thanks for proving my point, as you so often do.

If TH isn't lengthy, then why did it take A friend 3 whole game days to finish spinning?

If player engagement is not important for MTX sales, then why is there such as thing as stars and BXP that REQUIRES players to still play and engage with the game in order to benefit from it?


You don't know there are Smouldering Lamps and such that covert bonus xp to xp?

You don't know there are also Vic and Nic to exchange your bonus xp to xp?

And better yet... drum roll.... blank new
PERMANENT Portable VIc
to help you turn bonus xp into xp.

Of course, why bust their tails off if they can get just convert all their bonus xp into xp? Why need to even stay online? :D :D :D

05-Sep-2019 15:24:09

UrekMazino
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Smouldering lamps are limited, they're not available everyday. Are you telling me that if I want to gain level, I have to buy my spins, get bxp, wait for smouldering lamp promo to come around, then buy more spins to use it?

Not to mention vic, nic, smouldering lamps were not always in game while bxp has been for much longer. It was originally designed, and still somewhat is, to continuously get you engaged in the game.
Dilbert2001 said :
Of course, why bust their tails off if they can get just convert all their bonus xp into xp? Why need to even stay online? :D :D :D

Can't spin while offline buddy, thanks again for proving my point.
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06-Sep-2019 01:24:26

UrekMazino
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Plus, using vic is a scam anyways
UrekMazino said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
No way, that bloke is a damned highwayman!

I trade him my bxp and he gives me a crappy exchange rate to buy stars or lamps that are worth far less xp than the bxp I handed over to him.

I suppose it'd be useful if one had bajillions in bxp for a skill one had no intention of ever training again so at least part of it could transfer over to a skill that was going to be trained, but otherwise he's a waste of space.

Bah!

Exactly! Vic is a scammer!
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06-Sep-2019 01:25:12

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Smouldering lamps are limited, they're not available everyday. Are you telling me that if I want to gain level, I have to buy my spins, get bxp, wait for smouldering lamp promo to come around, then buy more spins to use it?

Not to mention vic, nic, smouldering lamps were not always in game while bxp has been for much longer. It was originally designed, and still somewhat is, to continuously get you engaged in the game.
Dilbert2001 said :
Of course, why bust their tails off if they can get just convert all their bonus xp into xp? Why need to even stay online? :D :D :D

Can't spin while offline buddy, thanks again for proving my point.


The deal is running alongside Shining Prismania in Treasure Hunter – which is perfect for burning off all that bonus XP.



75 Key Package (+ 10 Medium Smouldering Lamps)


200 Key Package (+ 20 Medium Smouldering Lamps)


450 Key Package (+ 50 Medium Smouldering Lamps)


That's why Jagex is handing out free Smouldering Lamps for bulk TH key purchases. Players love to turn bonus xp into xp without staying online much.

Spinning 10x keys only takes seconds anyway... and if players think it still takes too many seconds to open 10 chests, I guess Jagex will put up a "use 100 keys" options next. :D

06-Sep-2019 01:46:08

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