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UrekMazino
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So what are you trying to say? Bond is definitely pay-to-win and will be outlawed by the Bill if it passed.


UrekMazino said :
Bonds are used to combat gold farming, which is even more p2w. You can easily justify, although bonds are technically p2w, it prevents an even more egregious p2w mechanism.
Did Jagex censor the dismemberment of the Skeletal Horror?


Since where would these kinds of content be censored in younger players' games? There's no blood or violence. I remember seeing spooky skeletons in cartoons all the time.

The Bill said nothing about censoring whatever. Making up your own definition of COPPA obviously won't change how THE LAW works.


Making up what? I never said anything about the bill causing censorship?????? What are you talking about?????

What? Who is worried mor about what? It won't matter anway because the Bill call for EQUAL standard and EQUAL punishment to developers and individuals like bloggers receiving money or pixels from the games too.


Lol ok, I guess you're right, this bill will impact individuals the same way it'll cut off an unethical billion dollar market. YUP, exactly the same, very equal. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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27-May-2019 03:03:21

Dilbert2001
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Quoting the same thing you made up over and over again won't change a thing. This Bill is not about what is more pay-to-win. It is against ****ALL*** the "abusive games" with pay-to-win mechanisims. Bond is definitely pay-to-win and give children direct advantages over the others who don't pay. It is completely outlawed by the Bill. The Bill never said anything about gold farmers. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I never you said the Bill causing censorship. In fact, all alone I said the Bill never mentioned and had nothing to do with censorship. You brought up an occasion of "censorship" which Jagex actually used a way to show their humour but that has totally nothing to do with the Bill or COPPA obviously.

Oh. Somebody doesn't know e-sports, online publications, e-commerce and online adverstisements and such are not just billion dollar market but multi-billion $$$ markets many many times more than just video games. Streamers, bloggers, advertising promoters etc are certainly directed affected by thiis Bill as much as just the 220k employees in the game industry. Oh. Somebody doesn't know Google, Apple, Microsoft among others are going to be affected in this Bill too? :D :D :D

27-May-2019 15:24:08

UrekMazino
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I didn't think it was that hard to understand, but I guess I will have to try to explain in simpler terms, somehow.

Bonds are p2w.

RWT is a worse form of p2w, because it breaches T&S and its also cheaper.

Therefore Jagex (and other subscription based games tbh) can try to justify the existence of bonds help curb the worse option.


I don't particularly care if bonds were banned, but there's justification for it to remain.

I mention censorship as an example of how RS is clearly a game targeted at a younger audience. I don't know why you're relating it to the bill that way, I'm talking about target audience but you somehow try to relate it to bill itself talking about censorship??

Oh, somebody doesn't know that C-level position people are making fat bucks and are the main reason why lower level employees are getting laid-off despite making record revenue each year.

You can keep name dropping a bunch of jobs related to gaming, but can't even list a single reason why they'll be negatively impacted/be more worried about the bill. What's the point then? °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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27-May-2019 16:06:12

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, but I guess I will have to try to explain in simpler terms, somehow.

Bonds are p2w.

RWT is a worse form of p2w, because it breaches T&S and its also cheaper.

Therefore Jagex (and other subscription based games tbh) can try to justify the existence of bonds help curb the worse option.


I don't particularly care if bonds were banned, but there's justification for it to remain.

I mention censorship as an example of how RS is clearly a game targeted at a younger audience. I don't know why you're relating it to the bill that way, I'm talking about target audience but you somehow try to relate it to bill itself talking about censorship??

Oh, somebody doesn't know that C-level position people are making fat bucks and are the main reason why lower level employees are getting laid-off despite making record revenue each year.

You can keep name dropping a bunch of jobs related to gaming, but can't even list a single reason why they'll be negatively impacted/be more worried about the bill. What's the point then?

I don't know why is it so hard for somebody to understand. The Bill proposed to outlaw pay-to-win mechanics using the COPPA standard.

It has nothing to do with how much pay-to-win. As long as it is pay-to-win regardless it is TH or Bond, they will be outlawed by the Bill if it ever passed.

COPPA has nothing to do with whatever one-off censorship humour in Runescape or other game.

27-May-2019 16:22:56

UrekMazino
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I don't understand how you can say things are always black and white. If bonds are banned, then a worse form of p2w will thrive, which is what the bill is trying to prevent. Jagex can definitely make a case for bonds to remain if they want to.

COPPA has nothing to do with whatever one-off censorship humour in Runescape or other game.


Exactly, which is why I can't understand why you keep talking about it. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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28-May-2019 13:04:52

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
I don't understand how you can say things are always black and white. If bonds are banned, then a worse form of p2w will thrive, which is what the bill is trying to prevent. Jagex can definitely make a case for bonds to remain if they want to.

COPPA has nothing to do with whatever one-off censorship humour in Runescape or other game.


Exactly, which is why I can't understand why you keep talking about it.

There is no lee-way in the Bill. It states all abusive pay-to-win features must go. The only exception clearly specified are: initial box fee (not applicable to RS3 and OSRS), cosmetics and one-off DLC (again, also not applicable to RS3 and OSRS).

Bond would definitely be outlawed if the Bill somehow passed, so would TH be outlawed, so would all the Primier Club, Twitch Prime among other bundled packages be outlawed. So would recurring membership be outlawed or forced to drastically change to one-off marketing instead of recurring monthly charge (but it still might not meet FTC's standard of in-game purchase because ESRB said it would still be in-game purchase).

There would be no compromise whatsoever, not just in the case for Jagex to change Bond to anything unless they changed gp to be able to purchase cosmetics and cosmetics only. That Bill means death to everything except the cosmetics in SGS (not even auras, bankslots or runemetrics) if it passed.

COPPA doesn't say any online products "censoring" just a one-off picture is one target toward children. COPPA doesn't states Jagex is targeting children with or without "censoring" whatever pictures. PERIOD.

28-May-2019 16:48:13 - Last edited on 28-May-2019 16:54:04 by Dilbert2001

UrekMazino
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Wow, phew, good thing American kids are taught that they can contact their representatives and that bills are not set in stone. Its a good thing that the people being governed can have a voice in the making of bills and laws. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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30-May-2019 06:51:17

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Wow, phew, good thing American kids are taught that they can contact their representatives and that bills are not set in stone. Its a good thing that the people being governed can have a voice in the making of bills and laws.

Why don't these kids go ahead. Oh wait, they will need their parents to do that for them and wait more... what does that mean? Of course, it means parental control and that's what everything in that Bill is actually pushing for. :D :D :D :D :D :D

30-May-2019 16:06:11

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
What are you talking about now... I was just pointing out that the bill can always be improved on...

Improve what? Governments don't listen to "American kids" directly. They will need to go through their parents or legal guardians. :D :D :D

30-May-2019 23:33:08

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