RuneScape Forum Archive | Partyhats on Treasure Hunter!!

Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
~ If you want me to be specific. They'd need to be so rare that maybe one winner per week, 52 hats per year entered the game. It's possible even more could also work, but that sounds like a safe number that won't destroy the items.
You've made a number of points but, next up I'd like to ask you about your comments here.

First, it should be noted that we appear to agree that we disagree about how common or how rare winning the Partyhats on Treasure Hunter should be.

I think winning the Partyhats should be moderately common, or moderately rare and placed in the orange or red gem category of Treasure Hunter.

I think we'll agree that I have a different view from you because in my view, recovering all the lost, alched, wishing welled Partyhats, etc., or increasing the supply of Partyhats will not destroy them, drastically increasing the supply of Partyhats will not make them worthless.

I think the Partyhats are cheerful cosmetic holiday items that are to be shared with everyone.

I think the view that the Partyhats are something other than fun cosmetic items is the result of flip/merch/investors, that is the view that Partyhats are tokens that flip/merch/investors use to leech wealth from other players.

Recovering all the lost Partyhats, or increasing the supply of Parthats will help nerf the overpowered leech mechanic of flip/merch/investing Partyhats.

So, recovering the lost Partyhats, or increasing the supply doesn't destroy the Partyhats, but it will help nerf the overpowered leech mechanic of flip/merch/investing Partyhats.

I think that replenishing the supply of Partyhats will actually increase the worth of the Partyhats, they will regain their value in terms of a cheerful holiday item that is shared with everyone.

In other words, one persons' junk is another persons' treasure.

So winning Partyhats on Treasure Hunter should be moderate at about the orange or red gem rates. 'o.0'

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08-May-2019 17:57:39

Kalea Sprite

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[continued from above post]

I think that replenishing the supply of Partyhats will actually increase the worth of the Partyhats, they will regain their value in terms of a cheerful holiday item that is shared with everyone.

In other words, one persons' junk is another persons' treasure.

Can you appreciate this view that recovering all the lost Partyhats, or increasing the supply of Partyhats will actually increase their value and actually prevent them from being destroyed by the flip/merch/investors?

Is it clear that the value and worth of the Partyhats, in my view, is purely based on the fact that the Partyhats are cheerful holiday items that are to be shared with everyone?

So winning Partyhats on Treasure Hunter should be moderately common or moderately rare at about the orange or red gem rates. 'o.0'

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08-May-2019 18:16:54

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Whatusaytome

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I'd support Lucky variants for better chances. But I think the prices for Partyhats have legitimately increased as rare items ever since they were released. It's really only been recent years that have been prone to manipulation. Ever since they broke the max cash barrier.

We can agree to disagree on that, you and jokku don't think they should be expensive even though they have always been. I don't see anybody else thinking they are only cheery hats besides you and jokku.

Back when they were 500k, not many people had 500k. Back when they were 10m, few had 10m. It was that long ago, long before trading was done via a grand exchange and before people could effectively farm money. Nowadays they are 7-15b and some people have earned that. Making originals worthless by making them common prizes ruins their purpose without giving them any new purpose.

I don't know who supports that besides you two, but I promise most on that list don't.

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08-May-2019 20:19:13

Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
~ We can agree to disagree on that, you and jokku don't think they should be expensive even though they have always been. ~
Your claim that the Partyhats have "always" been expensive is factually incorrect. When they were first released they were freely shared with everyone, as well as the Christmas Crackers which contained the Partyhats. So, the Partyhats have not always been expensive.

Additionally, back in the day, as it were, there were many more Partyhats.

Over time the supply of Partyhats has drastically decreased, just think about how many ways the Partyhats have been removed from the game, so this is also a factor which appears to be missing from your claims.

Anyway, it's fair to say that we agree that we disagree about how common or how rare the Partyhats should be on Treasure Hunter. I think the Partyhats should be moderately common and, I'll add that the Christmas Crackers should be even more common like on the white or yellow gems.

Furthermore, I'll add that I think the vast majority of people would like to see the Partyhats and Christmas Crackers on the more common or moderately common gems on Treasure Hunter, and to be fair, you're welcome to agree again that you see it differently. Clearly, only Jagex might confirm such data one way or another.

Moving on to the next point, you mentioned "farming" of the Partyhats.

Whatusaytome said :
~ The Devine bubble idea can be farmed by any decent level player. It becomes overpowered itself by the possibility of getting a drop better than anything current top tier bossing can do.

The next series of questions is about your views "hoarding" stacks and stacks of Partyhats versus "farming" stacks and stacks of Partyhats.

Whats your take on "hoarding Partyhats" versus "farming Partyhats?" 'o.0'

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09-May-2019 00:01:59

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Whatusaytome

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If you make something rare and expensive common, it become not rare, and worthless in comparison making anybody who had interest in getting the rarity lose interest.

You can disagree with me all you want about what you think should happen, but what's going to happen is the less destructive and more plausible option. If either is going to at all.

They were free on release, they had 18 years to decide if they were meant to be free after that, and they aren't. They became the most prized item in the game and you want that thrown in the trash.

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09-May-2019 00:50:09

Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
If you make something rare and expensive common, it become not rare, and worthless in comparison making anybody who had interest in getting the rarity lose interest.

You can disagree with me all you want about what you think should happen, but what's going to happen is the less destructive and more plausible option. If either is going to at all.

They were free on release, they had 18 years to decide if they were meant to be free after that, and they aren't. They became the most prized item in the game and you want that thrown in the trash.
1. Actually, only those who are interested in flip/merch/investing Partyhats and artificially hyper-inflated items would tend to lose interest

The larger population that are interested in the cosmetic enjoyment of the Partyhats would treasure them even if the Partyhats were worth zero gold pieces.

2. Likewise, you're welcome to your disagreeable opinion, but it's more plausible that they will refresh the Partyhats at near infinite supply in order to adequately nerf the overpowered and artificially hyper-inflated flip/merch/investing leech mechanic of Partyhats

3. One of the most remarkable features of Runescape is that Jagex is continually updating the game. Literally everything gets updated, refreshed and balanced, etc

Eventually, there will come a time when cosmetic holiday items, such as Partyhats, will become a priority and they will develop an appropriate update to refresh these items. This thread is one plausible possibility.

Now it seems, Partyhats are already trashed by the flip/merch/investors leeching and practically extorting wealth from unsuspecting players.

So, again, refreshing the supply of Partyhats will result in a more populous group of players truly cherishing and enjoying the Partyhats purely for fun and cosmetic fashionscapeness.

Remember, one person's trash is another person's treasure.

For The Win, Support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter!

'o.0'

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09-May-2019 05:17:30

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Whatusaytome

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And you want what's currently a treasure to become trash just because of your beliefs. It wont happen. You destroy the purpose they've built over 18 years just to be careless and selfish in hopes of getting one.

You don't even know how to explain how merchants can use partyhats. So don't use that argument against me. I have followed and done actual research during the first partyhat rerelease suggestion thread. I know better than you what's overpowered about it. The way you explain it is poor and not convincing.

Partyhats may be revisited one day, but like I said, IF that happens, Jagex will do anything they can to make it as minimally destructive and as potentially great as possible. There is nothing great about turning the game's prized item into a cheap gimmick.

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09-May-2019 13:31:06

Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
~ So don't use that argument against me. I have followed and done actual research ~
Replenishing the supply of Partyhats with Treasure Hunter is a way to share the Partyhats with everyone.

Replenishing the supply of Partyhats will save them from being trashed into extinction by the flip/merch/investors that leech wealth from the markets, etc.

Flip/merch/investing Partyhats is over powered and it must be nerfed.

Replenishing the supply of Partyhats with Treasure Hunter won't destroy or trash the Partyhats, but it will help nerf the overpowered leech mechanic of flip/merch/investing.

My arguments are much better than yours because your only argument is like, "Stop... don't say that... don't use that... I've done research..."

If your research is so great, then let's see it.

Your attempts to silence the discussion confirms that my views are much stronger and better than yours because you seem unable to discuss the topic reasonably. I mean, seriously, check it out you're like, "Oh stop STHAP! Don't use that argument against meee! NOOO!"

LOL, I mean c'mon, really?

Anyway, so now you seem to agree that the Partyhats may be revisited one day.

So, at least it's good that we agree that the Partyhats may one day be revisited.

Clearly, there may ways that they might update them and Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is one plausible possibility because it's a multiple win, it will help strengthen their funding which will help them hire more people to help maintain and update the game for everyone to enjoy long into the future!

For The Win, Support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter, it's an awesome way for the players to help Jagex strengthen their funding and reward all the hard working JMods with pay raises!

'o.0'

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09-May-2019 16:20:57

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Whatusaytome

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Your arguments are based on your own opinion of what will happen, when literally every person who isn't Jokku has argued against it. Everybody knows replenishing the supply like you intend DESTROYS THEM.

They aren't meant for everybody. If they were, Jagex would've stopped them from becoming rare and valuable a long time ago. They've had 18 years to intervene. They haven't.

The research km talking about is I've spent months following the activity in the marketplace forums and finding recurring names, and writing down their profits that I see. I had several pages of a journal dedicated to tracking it. And yes, I am confident when I say i know more about why it's overpowered than you. If i had a partyhat myself i could take advantage of what i know and double those billions in a month.

I don't see you showing any reasons why they are overpowered. Just a copy and pasted claim. Replenishing the supply destroys what they are. And gives nothing back. And it would not strengthen funding because they could do better by making new items WITH value to interest potential buyers. You don't get more buyers or funding when you offer something expensive for free. You lose money.

You can act all socialist all you want, that's why nothing's happening.

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09-May-2019 17:49:56

Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
~ You can act all socialist all you want, that's why nothing's happening. So you keep talking about this "research" but have you yet to see you post anything that resembles "research," all you've tended to to is flamebait and disparage those you disagree with.

If you want to be disagreeable, fine, be that way, so what?

But, you're so-called "research" is basically just name calling, it's your opinion with the word "research" in front of it.

That flip/merch/investing Partyhats is overpowered has been confirmed by those posting on these forums, they've been bragging about how much bank they make flip/merch/investing these sorts of items.

That flip/merch/investing Partyhats is prone to abuse, fabrication and manipulation to suit the will of the flip/merch/investors has also been confirmed by those posting on these forums, you've even acknowledged it, do you even read your own "research?"

Do you have some kind of special access to Jagex's data?

Plus, you've already acknowledge that one day they might revisit the Partyhats, clearly that is one of the most remarkable features of the game.

Jagex is continually updating, refreshing and balancing the game, so it's likely that these cosmetic holiday items, such as Partyhats, will eventually become a priority update.

As such, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a cost effective way to address a number of issues, it's a multiple win for everyone, just think about and you'll see, it's the right thing to do!

For The Win, support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter!

'o.0'

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09-May-2019 18:32:42

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