Whatusaytome
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~ Partyhats are only being price tracked thanks to players, which I disagree with the legitimacy of ~
You've made an important point here.
I think we all agree that none of the players have access to Jagex's data.
So, all of the Partyhat listings are inaccurate and prone to manipulation and fabrication to suit the will of the flip/merch/investors.
Clearly, it's impossible for players to access the data.
So, any advertised price calculations are inaccurate, these inaccuracies open the door to evidence which suggests that any prices listed in the Partyhat market is prone to fabrication, that is, manipulation, to suit the will of flip/merch/investors.
Both intentionally and unintentionally, the Partyhat market is being manipulated. This results in a game dynamic that is unbalanced: an afk activity such as flip/merch/investing shouldn't outpace the more intense and active activities such as pvm. (Or, consider the contrast in mining, where one engages the rockertunities, the rewards are better than afk mining)
This is a key point: game balance. Flip/merch/investing Partyhats is an overpowered afk activity that leeches wealth from other players and it must be nerfed.
There are many ways to nerf the flip/merch/investing of Partyhats, and balance the game.
Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a cost effective solution to help balance the game.
Therefore, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is the right thing to do!
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It's a really fun idea that incorporates lore and skills! It's like an awesome treasure hunt within a treasure hunt, it's a much more engaging and exciting style of treasure hunting! Check it out!
Jokku23
received news from The Ports that many of the recruits had lost party hats to shark attacks. This led to the development of Treasure Hunter "Partyhat Maps" which may be won on Treasure Hunter or traded to those who are inventive and aren't afraid of sharks.
Cheers for all your support Kalea! Your posts cheer me up every time, just like Anja!
I would also like to mention that partyhat maps are a compromise that doesn't increase the number of partyhats in-game but brings more of them to the market!
Happy Easter!!!
Hiya Jokku, and Anja too!!! It's your cheerfulness that's infectious, just like Anja's!!!
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Let's all support Partyhat Maps!!! It's an awesome idea!!!
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One of the most obvious features of Runescape is that Jagex always updates everything.
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Everything gets refreshed, everything gets updated, everything changes, it's like a roller coaster ride of infinite updates, it just keeps everything exciting!
So, it's only a matter of time until they revisit Partyhats. There are an infinite number of ways to release the Partyhats again and refresh the excitingly cheerful spirit of the holidays!
Therefore, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a super fun multiple win!
What part of a business losing money sounds positive?
Runescape loses funding from your suggestions. The only positive thing from dropping partyhats to being worthless is that people can wear them and obtain them for free. What benefit does the business get by making them worthless?
Don't say holiday cheer because they give holiday items every year for free.
Dont say they make profit, because they don't. People currently spend money on Bonds to aide their savings towards the biggest financial endgame item, which is partyhats now. If you make them free and worthless, that cuts profits. They have to develop your ideas. which takes time, payroll, and funding as well. They'd lose a lot.
Dont tell me observable data is insufficient, because there's plenty of logic behind "loss is loss" and expecting them to lose thousands monthly just so you can throw house parties is a pretty selfish cause.
Observable data is all that currently tracks partyhats pricing, and there is a large load of unrecorded data, due to not every trade and transaction being recorded. Thats what I'm trying to fix.
Jagex, or at least some business-class players have explained why max cash cannot be raised yet. So the only other way to bring them back to where tracking is done better, is to lower partyhats.
The only other option for legitimacy is to make trading them only possible via a unique trading store that records all transactions. Which might be the best idea so far. A Partyhat Trade Center.
If you destroy them, there is no recovery. When the time comes that max cash can be raised, it will be too late. Because you want them destroyed now. For house parties. Without respecting what partyhats have become. You just want to show off that you desperately asked Jagex to give you a partyhat.
You plan to screw every successful player who did the work already. And all you are doing here is spamming hopeful nonsense with very little backbone. It won't happen.
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Whatusaytome
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~ Runescape loses funding from your suggestions ~
Actually, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter will strengthen Jagex's sales.
1. Sales from keys will be strengthened. There are many examples of special Treasure Hunter events that are fun and good for Jagex's business. So, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter would be another successful Treasure Hunter special event that helps Jagex strengthen their funding.
There is no doubt that a lot of keys would be sold when Partyhats are on Treasure Hunter.
2. With respect to Bond sales, by decreasing the price of Partyhats, Jagex will be able to sell more of them. More sales means increased profits.
That is, by increasing the supply of partyhats, Jagex will increase their profits because it would become more affordable for many more people to enjoy. That means that the volume of their sales would increase and that means more profit.
For example, if only one person would buy an item for $1,000, sales would be $1,000.
But if a hundred people would by the item for $100, sales would be $10,000.
So, reducing the price actually increases sales, for example by $9,000!
You can see this everywhere, selling more units at a cheaper price increases profits because more units are sold.
It should be obvious that many people would buy stuff when they can afford it, if it's too expensive they don't buy and that means lost sales.
In other words, more people buy stuff when the price point is reasonable.
Selling more units means more profit and more people that may enjoy the fun of Partyhat parties!
So, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter helps Jagex strengthen funding for hiring more people to develop awesome updates and reward the dedicated and hard working JMods with amazing pay raises!
For The Win, Support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter because it helps strengthen Jagex's business, maintain the game, and more people may enjoy the Partyhats, it's a multiple win for everyone!
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Whatusaytome
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~ If you destroy them, there is no recovery.~
Partyhats on Treaure Hunter doesn't destroy Partyhats.
All the Partyhats will still be functional.
All the Partyhats will still be equipable and wearable on the head slot.
Think about it, many of the Partyhats have been lost or removed from the game.
Partyhats have been alched, fed to the Baby Troll Pet, donated to the Wishing Well, etc.
Again, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter doesn't destroy them because it simply isn't about removing them from the game.
Clearly, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is about bringing the Partyhats back to life.
Many have been removed from the game so, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is about bringing all those Partyhats back to the game, it's about refreshing the supply of Partyhats, it's about saving the Partyhats from extinction.
It's about finding all those Partyhats that have been lost over the years.
Partyhat Maps
in particular is about recovering all those Partyhats that have been lost.
For The Win, support Partyhats on Treasure Hunter because it's about saving the Partyhats from extinction, recovering all those lost Partyhats and bringing them back for everyone to enjoy!
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20-Apr-2019 01:05:02
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Kalea Sprite
Sorry. But you are an unrealistic idiot. Learn actual business.
You cant comprehend loss of sales and you dont understand a damn thing about this topic.
If you think people will actually pay for the event when the prize is worth nothing. You are mistaken.
You don't show any respect for Partyhats because you cant accept that they've been the prized item of the game since their release. They are still the prized item of the game, and you think your suggestion to make them worthless is bettering them.
If you think simply increasing the number is what it means to revive an item. You are mistaken.
If you think making the item worth the most into nothing is reviving it, you are mistaken.
People wont pay for this bullshit and Jagex will spend a lot more than they will ever make from it. You don't understand how much they have to pay each developer per hour per day to simply create events like this. And you don't understand how much data they use. They'd spend thousands daily until it happens and with your idea, they won't make it back.
You assume way too much and you don't plausibly back it up. Not to mention you spam ridiculously and actually believe your own words.
Grow up Kalea, I'm not supporting your destructive behavior. You live in a fantasy world with your suggestion here.
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Whatusaytome
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Sorry. But you are an unrealistic idiot. Learn actual business. ~
So, it seems that I've defeated your arguments, it seems like you've surrendered your position because you've now resorted to name-calling and personal attacks.
Perhaps, it is you that should read up on business, finding the price point to increase sales is an actual business skill, if something is too expensive, businesses lose sales.
Also, you can see businesses all over the world put products on sale. One day a product will be sold at full price, but then, the next month, the very same product goes on sale.
Those who paid full price gained enjoyment of the product much earlier than those who waited for the sale of the same product. So, it's not clear why this troubles you?
Your reaction here also appears to contradict your earlier comments:
Whatusaytome
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I agree Kalea, there's tons of derailing posts and off topic arguments, ~ I agree they are trolling and fully intent on getting the thread locked rather than ever attempting to cordially discuss ~
So why are you now attempting to derail the thread with flamebait rather than attempting to cordially discuss the topic?
Clearly, the reasons for supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter are on solid ground because your criticisms have been addressed and you've now resorted to inappropriate and petty personal attacks.
Furthermore, in particular, Partyhats Maps on Treasure Hunter is a constructive way to save the Partyhats from extinction for many many many more people to enjoy!
In fact, it appears that it's your use of personal attacks that is destructive, so I'd advise you to be careful because you might hurt yourself.
Otherwise, it would seem that you just want to agree that we disagree.
For The Win, Supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter it's the right thing to do!
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Would you stop twisting every single thing people say?
I'm explaining in thorough detail just what mistakes you are overlooking. You can't just hand things out for free as TH does and call it a sale. Rainbow's End items are not like Partyhats.
You act like I've surrendered for saying I don't support your concept after explaining in detail my reasons for not supporting you. I keep explaining why and you keep ignoring it. Just like every other person who has said you are DESTROYING PARTYHATS WITH THIS IDEA.
You haven't defeated my arguments, you've ignored them completely because you don't understand the full concept behind your suggested business plan.
It's a bad idea. Partyhats are not some gimmick that can just be tossed and turned any which way. Take a car dealership for example. Let's say they have a lot of different colors of one model, as most dealerships do. They don't sell many cars per day, as most dealerships don't.
Average car cost on this lot is 8k. They could sell 5 cars one day and they'd not make a profit of 40k. Because you didn't factor in cost of the car, leasing of the dealership, employee payroll, and all additional fees and taxes included. According to you, if they put the cars on sale. Like $800 each, they could sell 500 cars because it's a great deal. and their total sales would be 400k. But you didn't calculate everything else I mentioned in. Such as manufacturing costs and taxes. They'd lose heavily because of that sale.
Sales are not expected to last. They are usually done to get rid of a product to replace it. Clearance. Anytime something new is on sale, usually the company still has it set to where they still make profit. Because losing money on something they paid for is not what they want to do.
And sorry for the insult. I felt it was deserved after you blatantly ignored everything I've said. I found that rude. I'm here to support partyhats being revisited. Not destroyed by a poorly thought over concept.
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Jagex currently is not losing anything from partyhats. Do your idea and make them change into a gimmicky toy that doesn't have a functional purpose anymore and they lose everything they still make from them.
Partyhats are the prized item of runescape. They have been for nearly 20 years. I've explained that and that was also ignored.
You aren't showing any care because for some reason you think that near 20 year period has entirely been manipulation. It hasn't.
They've only entered the manipulation zone when they increased over the limit and became player based in their recording. It took them well over a decade of legitimate growth to be worth as much as the maximum limit the game is capable of.
I'm trying to help an actual PLAUSIBLE idea happen to ACTUALLY REVIVE partyhats without doing the damage that comes from your ideas.
If you so desperately want your ideas to happen, be my guest and suggest them as a new event for a new item. They could fit into the game well with a different purpose..
But original partyhats deserve far better respects than that.
I don't want us to be enemies because we really do want a similar goal, however there's no simple solution that isn't a huge risk. I just want you to take it more seriously and stop expecting that cheery happy-go-lucky attitude to make people support it.
Your opinions here can affect us all. Please post for the better
Whatusaytome
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~ And sorry for the insult. I felt it was deserved after you blatantly ignored everything I've said. I found that rude ~
Honestly, your apology appears insincere because you're now attempting to blame me for your outbursts. In fact, it seems like you're the one twisting the words and ignoring what people say.
Whatusaytome
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~ Take a car dealership for example. ~
In the first place, your example is off-topic, we're not talking about cars, we're talking about Partyhats. The topic is Partyhats on Treasure Hunter.
Secondly, even when you account for the overhead costs, carrying costs, labor, taxes (by the way, usually the consumer is charged the taxes), etc., decreasing the price of a product and finding a reasonable price point for consumers really does increase profits.
1. If only one person would buy an item for $1,000, sales would be $1,000.
2. If a hundred people would by the same item for $100, sales would be $10,000.
So, reducing the price actually increases sales, for example by $9,000!
Let X$ = the overhead costs, carrying costs, labor, etc.
Now, the profit from line 1 is $1,000 - X$
The profit from line 2 is $10,000 - X$
Which means that the profit increases as the price of the product decreases.
Obviously, if the X$ is greater than the profits, that's not an appropriate price point either. If the price of a product is too expensive or too inexpensive then profits are lost.
So, the price shouldn't be too high or too low. And, there are various formula that are used to find the price point which will maximize profits.
With respect to Partyhats on Treasure Hunter, I would estimate that the price of Partyhats are too expensive, therefore reducing the price to something more reasonable would result in increased profits.
So, I'm skeptical of your apology, but clearly, disparaging my opinions isn't appropriate.