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Torgi Nudho

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xox Lola xox said :
Torgi Nudho said :
Lola,

I am pretty sure the underlying problem is money laundering and gambling addictions, I can find a source for this if you'd like.

The problem is the potential harm, not to mention the fact that Jagex and others rather than doing a single thing about the harm they cause in fact would rather bitch about gambling, and then lie to parliament.

Oh, yes, I totally agree with you on basically everything you've said earlier. I was thinking in the bigger picture (also including online gambling casinos)

24-Aug-2019 00:43:30 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2019 00:44:07 by Torgi Nudho

Dilbert2001
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Torgi Nudho said :
Lola,

I am pretty sure the underlying problem is money laundering and gambling addictions, I can find a source for this if you'd like.

Yes. Money being cashed out of the game for illegal purposes not limited to gambling is their main concern. Money laundering, tax evasion etc are also what they are targeting.

Nobody really care about loot box gambling in the game, unless the game developers/publishers find a way to take real world profits out of it like Big Fish Casino or the Real Money Player Trading system in Steam.

TH is absolutely fine. However, gold farmer sell gold to buy a noxious bow and gamble it on a 3rd party site is gambling although no TH is involved in the process whatsoever.

24-Aug-2019 00:44:14

Torgi Nudho

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Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
Lola,

I am pretty sure the underlying problem is money laundering and gambling addictions, I can find a source for this if you'd like.

Yes. Money being cashed out of the game for illegal purposes not limited to gambling is their main concern. Money laundering, tax evasion etc are also what they are targeting.

Nobody really care about loot box gambling in the game, unless the game developers/publishers find a way to take real world profits out of it like Big Fish Casino or the Real Money Player Trading system in Steam.

TH is absolutely fine. However, gold farmer sell gold to buy a noxious bow and gamble it on a 3rd party site is gambling although no TH is involved in the process whatsoever.


This is the first thing I would be willing to agree with you on, that is that underlying problems have made it possible for certain discussions to take place internationally. Yet, TH remains in legal terms a form of gambling, which on its own does not have to be a bad thing at all.

It is just that some categories of financial transactions require certain regulations. It's the exact same story with transfer pricing; governments regulate how intra-group transactions are calculated, companies need to hand in a master and local file to the corresponding governments to make sure there are no profits being shifted to lower taxed areas/countries.*

* There were literally barely any transfer pricing rules or guidelines in Europe 10 years ago. Yet, if you look at it now, companies have been swamped with guidelines and rules to follow.

24-Aug-2019 00:48:22 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2019 00:50:02 by Torgi Nudho

xox Lola xox

xox Lola xox

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That's right, they absolutely do not care about loot box gambling, they have made it very clear that they care about loot box potential harm and even worse loot box harm on games likely to be accessed by children and that they agree totally with Belgium.

24-Aug-2019 00:48:39

Dilbert2001
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xox Lola xox said :
That's right, they absolutely do not care about loot box gambling, they have made it very clear that they care about loot box potential harm and even worse loot box harm on games likely to be accessed by children and that they agree totally with Belgium.

That's not true. The couple of Belgium governments officials just did something unethical, if not unlawful and got exposed by workers from their own camp. All the countries in the rest of the world do not side with Belgium at all. They care nothing about gambling and children, otherwise many Pokeman trading card games would be banned too.

24-Aug-2019 00:55:04

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Torgi Nudho said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
Lola,

I am pretty sure the underlying problem is money laundering and gambling addictions, I can find a source for this if you'd like.

Yes. Money being cashed out of the game for illegal purposes not limited to gambling is their main concern. Money laundering, tax evasion etc are also what they are targeting.

Nobody really care about loot box gambling in the game, unless the game developers/publishers find a way to take real world profits out of it like Big Fish Casino or the Real Money Player Trading system in Steam.

TH is absolutely fine. However, gold farmer sell gold to buy a noxious bow and gamble it on a 3rd party site is gambling although no TH is involved in the process whatsoever.


This is the first thing I would be willing to agree with you on, that is that underlying problems have made it possible for certain discussions to take place internationally. Yet, TH remains in legal terms a form of gambling, which on its own does not have to be a bad thing at all.

It is just that some categories of financial transactions require certain regulations. It's the exact same story with transfer pricing; governments regulate how intra-group transactions are calculated, companies need to hand in a master and local file to the corresponding governments to make sure there are no profits being shifted to lower taxed areas/countries.*

* There were literally barely any transfer pricing rules or guidelines in Europe 10 years ago. Yet, if you look at it now, companies have been swamped with guidelines and rules to follow.

Regardless you agree or disagree with me, or with the world's governments. Their stance is clear. Almost nobody cares about loot boxes. The real blur line of gambling is real world trading and skin betting.

No new regulation will be made because underground casinos are already illegal.

24-Aug-2019 00:57:16 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2019 00:57:48 by Dilbert2001

xox Lola xox

xox Lola xox

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
That's right, they absolutely do not care about loot box gambling, they have made it very clear that they care about loot box potential harm and even worse loot box harm on games likely to be accessed by children and that they agree totally with Belgium.

That's not true. The couple of Belgium governments officials just did something unethical, if not unlawful and got exposed by workers from their own camp. All the countries in the rest of the world do not side with Belgium at all. They care nothing about gambling and children, otherwise many Pokeman trading card games would be banned too.

Yes we (the uk) agree entirely with Belgium that the problem isn't if you can cash out the money, and is in fact the harm caused by loot boxes.

24-Aug-2019 00:58:11

Torgi Nudho

Torgi Nudho

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I still disagree with you on the new regulation part, since they literally all signed documents in order to make international regulations, attend multiple meetings every year about online gambling, etc. So yes, I disagree with you, because you have not stated any facts/proof.


And I am agreeing with the "world's goverments", since they actually all publicly stated to regulate online gambling, in contradiction to what you're stating

24-Aug-2019 01:00:02

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