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Torgi Nudho

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@Dilbert2001;

I don't know what else I can do here, I have quoted multiple reliable sources, whilst I've been only given personal reasonings and half baked quotes or statements without any factualities.

It's fine that you have your opinion, but you shouldn't attempt to make it a fact. At this point in our discussion, it seems you are just undergoing some sort of Mandela effect.

So since, I have not had anything proper to work with, I will end my part of the conversation here.

I bid you adieu, my random friend!

24-Aug-2019 01:10:16

Dilbert2001
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Torgi Nudho said :
I still disagree with you on the new regulation part, since they literally all signed documents in order to make international regulations, attend multiple meetings every year about online gambling, etc. So yes, I disagree with you, because you have not stated any facts/proof.


And I am agreeing with the "world's goverments", since they actually all publicly stated to regulate online gambling, in contradiction to what you're stating


They signed NO REGULATIONS AT ALL. As I mentioned, read through the comments. They said the meeting had no legal implications. Please show what documents and what regulations otherwise. Even Chris Lee et al could show us his failed bills. Where the holy land are your invisible documents and regulations?

24-Aug-2019 01:11:28 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2019 01:20:04 by Dilbert2001

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Torgi Nudho said :

What did these so called Belgian govenmental officals do exactly? I haven't heard of this yet, link me something, please.


You can already play many things more than just rock-paper-scissors in GTA's Diamond Casino. No problems there whatsoever.

Read this article for BGC's "crime":

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-28-games-industry-being-dragged-through-the-mud-by-belgian-loot-box-ruling

It's also about taxation. It's about gambling licenses. It's about money. You will have to pay the gambling commission to be able to continue to do paid loot boxes. I'm not talking about a moral dilemma here.

The BGC, which is a Belgian government cross-party initiative, meets every month to discuss pressing issues around gambling. According to Verbruggen, the civil servants of the BGC leaked the report to the press without consulting the commission's elected representatives. Additionally, he said the BGC didn't consult with stakeholders in the games industry at any point while compiling the report.

"We found it really disturbing that they closed the door in front of us," said Verbruggen. "When the report came out, we talked to the BGC and we said, as an industry we have to be responsible and have to maybe do more to help parents with these issues and protect minors, and we proposed a lot of things. They just said 'no, we're going ahead with prosecution anyway'."

In an email to GamesIndustry.biz, BGC director Peter Naessens did not directly deny the allegation that the report was leaked to the press, saying instead that he had not heard such a complaint, and that members had access to the final report before meeting.

Under the current definition, Verbruggen noted that even a school raffle is technically illegal, as are trading card games such as Pokémon. However, there are certain exemptions under Belgian law.

24-Aug-2019 01:17:41

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Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :

What did these so called Belgian govenmental officals do exactly? I haven't heard of this yet, link me something, please.


You can already play many things more than just rock-paper-scissors in GTA's Diamond Casino. No problems there whatsoever.

Read this article for BGC's "crime":

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-28-games-industry-being-dragged-through-the-mud-by-belgian-loot-box-ruling

It's also about taxation. It's about gambling licenses. It's about money. You will have to pay the gambling commission to be able to continue to do paid loot boxes. I'm not talking about a moral dilemma here.

The BGC, which is a Belgian government cross-party initiative, meets every month to discuss pressing issues around gambling. According to Verbruggen, the civil servants of the BGC leaked the report to the press without consulting the commission's elected representatives. Additionally, he said the BGC didn't consult with stakeholders in the games industry at any point while compiling the report.

"We found it really disturbing that they closed the door in front of us," said Verbruggen. "When the report came out, we talked to the BGC and we said, as an industry we have to be responsible and have to maybe do more to help parents with these issues and protect minors, and we proposed a lot of things. They just said 'no, we're going ahead with prosecution anyway'."

In an email to GamesIndustry.biz, BGC director Peter Naessens did not directly deny the allegation that the report was leaked to the press, saying instead that he had not heard such a complaint, and that members had access to the final report before meeting.

Under the current definition, Verbruggen noted that even a school raffle is technically illegal, as are trading card games such as Pokémon. However, there are certain exemptions under Belgian law.


good

24-Aug-2019 01:34:48

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“There are other examples of things that look and feel like gambling that legislation tells you are not – [such as] some prize competitions but because they have free play or free entry they are not gambling… but they are a lot like a lottery,” McArthur said.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49074003

Not just Duel Arena, but Dead Man Mode too, had to be ruled gambling before could even be considered "gambling". :D

24-Aug-2019 03:42:01

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Dilbert2001 said :
“There are other examples of things that look and feel like gambling that legislation tells you are not – [such as] some prize competitions but because they have free play or free entry they are not gambling… but they are a lot like a lottery,” McArthur said.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49074003

Not just Duel Arena, but Dead Man Mode too, had to be ruled gambling before could even be considered "gambling". :D


regardless of loot boxes being technically gambling or not, they are to be regulated.

24-Aug-2019 04:07:37

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xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
“There are other examples of things that look and feel like gambling that legislation tells you are not – [such as] some prize competitions but because they have free play or free entry they are not gambling… but they are a lot like a lottery,” McArthur said.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49074003

Not just Duel Arena, but Dead Man Mode too, had to be ruled gambling before could even be considered "gambling". :D


regardless of loot boxes being technically gambling or not, they are to be regulated.


On page 42, Post 2, we have already gone through this:

"On Page 40, Post 8, I already clearly quoted UK Parliament's responses:

There are plenty of ministers in the DCMS to tell you:

"Loot boxes are a means of purchasing items, not an additional financial reward. They can't be traded offline for money. We don't think it is true to say loot boxes are gambling"

"You need the evidence as a justification for taking action, particularly if you're talking about regulation""

That's what the UK LAW said. No need and utterly useless to go in circle when they said clearly loot boxes is not gambling. :D :D :D "


No point to go in circle and then in circle within circel again. UK already clearly said there was no evidence for them to even do a thing. My last response to this because the next one will be the same repetitive arguments without anything constructive to add to their thread. Thank you for your cooperation. :)

24-Aug-2019 18:45:35

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Actually they said Jagex will have a duty of care which makes them liable and that loot boxes are harmful and that they will be regulated by a new body possibly something like Ofcom during the transition period and if they don't do as they are told they will be fined and prosecuted.

24-Aug-2019 19:34:46

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xox Lola xox said :
Actually they said Jagex will have a duty of care which makes them liable and that loot boxes are harmful and that they will be regulated by a new body possibly something like Ofcom during the transition period and if they don't do as they are told they will be fined and prosecuted.


Please provide source.

24-Aug-2019 19:46:27

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Actually they said Jagex will have a duty of care which makes them liable and that loot boxes are harmful and that they will be regulated by a new body possibly something like Ofcom during the transition period and if they don't do as they are told they will be fined and prosecuted.


Please provide source.


you first

please provide the source that says Jagex are allowed to harm our people and we will pay to fix them.

24-Aug-2019 19:48:39

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