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S 1 M O N
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Meh, i've probably spent £2-3k in the last few years on RS. Do i care? Nope. Because i spend within my means and don't consider it an issue.

I wouldn't want PTW or MTX to be removed, but i could see with their frequency how someone could be tempted to spend way too much. We do need a balance.

11-Mar-2019 19:21:25

Dilbert2001
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S 1 M O N said :
Meh, i've probably spent £2-3k in the last few years on RS. Do i care? Nope. Because i spend within my means and don't consider it an issue.

I wouldn't want PTW or MTX to be removed, but i could see with their frequency how someone could be tempted to spend way too much. We do need a balance.


The balance is already there. It is called natural selection. It is economics 101.

The free market will make a balance between the producers and the consumers naturally and automatically.

Governments have both no say to pay-to-win or MTX and they actually want as much as them as possible if they have a say since it only means more tax for them. So they are smart to move the invisible hands off the market. :)

11-Mar-2019 21:58:21

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I Lack Heart said :
Due to several countries investigation of lootboxes, which treasure hunter is, the pay to win era of runescape might be closing to its end. You can tell Jagex have been cashing in the gambling addicts for the past year, knowing that it is too good to be true, so instead of once a month promotion TH turned into 2 promotions a week to ensure there is something you have to spend your money on or you will miss out.

Australia has investigated that loot boxes are psychological gambling, gateway to problem gambling and this is why it is so profitable for gaming companies. It is like selling drugs as postal service to rehab center patients, you dont see your customer but the insane amounts of money is flowing in works as a motivator, out of sight, out of mind.


seems so
Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

28-Mar-2019 04:02:26

Dilbert2001
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We are just a few days from a full year ago when the 2 and only 2 countries who have made a few regulatory comments and one of them actually clearly stated without real money going out of the a game, its loot boxes are not gambling whatsoever.

Since then, even the handful games which were affected in Belgium have continued to put loot boxes in their games outside Belgium and even put more in their new games such as CoD: Black OP 4 and Apex Legends.

Better luck next decade century, if the real world governments begin to find a reason to accuse e-commerce with virtual items as "gambling", but by then all pigs will probably walk in 2 legs and play dices like the skeletons in Jagex's own OSRS page. :D

28-Mar-2019 16:07:45

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001 said :
This (exclusive) news from Variety actually shows the color of what FTC is going to do with the exact quote in their letter to Hassan:

"Simons also pointed out the FTC has a “long history of consumer protection activities relating to the video game industry and children.”

“For example, at the request of the President and Congress starting in 1999, the FTC issued a series of reports on the extent to which the
movie, music, and video game industries
marketed violent entertainment to children. As the video game industry has rapidly evolved, we have remained vigilant for potential consumer protection issues, and we have continued outreach efforts to
self-regulatory bodies such as the Entertainment Software Rating Board
.”

Thursday’s letter comes in response to a letter sent by Hassan last month asking for an update on the status of the investigation, a time table, as well as proposed next steps"


https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/ftc-plans-public-workshop-on-loot-boxes-wont-comment-on-legal-investigation-exclusive-1203146123/

Although not quoted by other journalists/blogs, FTC has actually clearly stated their instance... and self-regulatory bodies such as ESRB and they firmly refuted any criticism that they are not doing the right thing already.


For those who don't know, the date is set for the FTC workshop: August 7, 2019. But sorry, they did not mention "gambling" whatsoever in the discussion. It will be just a study on behavior of children.

It is open house, everybody can attend... and it means YOU too. But a reminder, you need verifiable ID as they said the FTC regulation requires it and participants are also required to agree to have their data and comments passed onto real world parties who are interested.

09-Apr-2019 15:40:42

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"Topics this workshop will cover include:

A look at the in-game transaction landscape, including the origins and evolution of loot boxes and their role in game play and the digital marketplace;
Research examining consumer behavior, including child and adolescent behavior, in the context of video games and digital transactions; and
A discussion of consumer awareness and education about in-game digital transactions, including the mechanics, marketing, and financial commitments associated with loot boxes."


https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events-calendar/inside-game-unlocking-consumer-issues-surrounding-loot-boxes

Oh nice, we get to know the history and all academic of loot boxes and how it affects the market places and the consumers behaviors. Good also to make consumer aware of what actually is in-game digital transactions like what ESRB and PEGI did alrady.

But wait... nothing about "gambling" is cited... :(

Oh, everybody can attend. It is open house. All the FTC ask for is to collect and possibly distribute your contact information for future references under the FTC Act and FIOC:

Under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”) or other laws, we may be required to disclose to outside organizations the information you provide when you pre-register. The Commission will consider all timely and responsive public comments, whether filed in paper or electronic form, and as a matter of discretion, we make every effort to remove home contact information for individuals from the public comments before posting them on the FTC website.

"The FTC Act and other laws we administer permit the collection of your pre-registration contact information and the comments you file to consider and use in this proceeding as appropriate. For additional information, including routine uses permitted by the Privacy Act, see the Commission’s comprehensive Privacy Policy."

09-Apr-2019 15:49:15

Dilbert2001
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I Lack Heart said :
If you are interested in affecting lootboxes, visit this site:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2019/04/ftc-workshop-looks-loot-boxes#comment-547730

or send an email to here: [email protected]

let them know about predatory gambling like runescape treasure hunter.



Don't forget to show this to the FTC:

"Our Easter celebration is also a wonderful opportunity to support two very worthwhile charities. Keep an eye out for the representatives of CPSL Mind and The Prince’s Trust hanging around the fete. Donating to them will not only support their incredible work, but will increase the rate in which you find crystallised chocolate fragments. It's a win-win!"


Yes, that's right. Jagex is teaming up with UK charity on their promotions with Mystery Loot Boxes. That's right, go tell Prince Harry about it too. :D :D :D :D :D :D

21-Apr-2019 19:17:00

I Lack Heart
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Dilbert2001 said :
I Lack Heart said :
If you are interested in affecting lootboxes, visit this site:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2019/04/ftc-workshop-looks-loot-boxes#comment-547730

or send an email to here: [email protected]

let them know about predatory gambling like runescape treasure hunter.



Don't forget to show this to the FTC:

"Our Easter celebration is also a wonderful opportunity to support two very worthwhile charities. Keep an eye out for the representatives of CPSL Mind and The Prince’s Trust hanging around the fete. Donating to them will not only support their incredible work, but will increase the rate in which you find crystallised chocolate fragments. It's a win-win!"


Yes, that's right. Jagex is teaming up with UK charity on their promotions with Mystery Loot Boxes. That's right, go tell Prince Harry about it too. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Dont forget to mention that even drug cartels do charity, doesnt make the money any cleaner, city of miami is build on cocaine and blood ridden money. gambling addicts supporting a charity, but who is supporting the gambling addicts? not you at least.

22-Apr-2019 07:58:02

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