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Ghosttalon
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I was actually going to read through this thread, until I saw what most of it was full of. That said, I have only a few points to make:

1. Parents DO care what their kids do and consume. I'm a parent and I play, as does one of my children. That someone would just broad-brush all parents as irresponsible is ridiculous.

2. Kids can be guided and taught to avoid harmful exposure and make responsible choices -- whether financial, drugs, or sex. In this, I'm spot on with what Neuro states above: I'm responsible for the choices my kids make.

3. Regulation IS necessary and at least where I live, or would consider living, should be by the will of society, implemented by government. As in most things in life, it is difficult for any society to strike the correct balance between government imposing too many restrictions on the freedoms of its citizens, and too little, where folks that need the most help can't get it. Not every child has the advantage of caring parents. That also has to be recognized.

4. I personally dislike Treasure Hunter, etc., but I also do not think over-regulation is the answer -- those that have the cash and wish to spend it in that way have every right to do so; those that don't have the cash but choose to spend it in that way anyway need to be responsible for their actions. But if they need help, that help should be available. If some industry is creating the situation, then yes, they can and should be held financially responsible to provide the help. Generally the only way to hold them to account is through some form of regulation/taxation -- the instances where companies voluntarily do this are going to be far and few between.

28-Oct-2018 12:12:40

Ghosttalon
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Oh, and one more comment to Neuro's note above, as an aside -- bank space is already as good as locked behind a paywall compared to what it was. We used to be able to earn the bank boosters through loyalty points, which is based on time played as a member. It still cost, but at least it wasn't extra. Now it's pay for a bond to buy a bank booster. Whether that's in-game gold or real cash, Jagex is getting extra money for them now. Talk about shitty moves.

28-Oct-2018 12:12:53

Dilbert2001
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"I personally dislike Treasure Hunter, etc., but I also do not think over-regulation is the answer -- those that have the cash and wish to spend it in that way have every right to do so; those that don't have the cash but choose to spend it in that way anyway need to be responsible for their actions."


Governments can't do sh!t as clearly illustrated in the past year - it has always been greedy politicians crying wolf all the time but in the end this "Holy Crusade against Loot Boxes" get turned into Real World EU declaration against illegal 3rd party gambling sites. :D

In fact, the private and self regulation gaming sectors are doing a good job with the likes of Apple setting up rules on odds reveal regarding in game purchases, and PEGI not just giving parental guidelines on in game purchases but also visibly providing links to educate parents or legal guardians how to monitor/block sites at their choices. This is actually very effective in making most game developers to volunteer revealing the odds of in game purchases. It is not because the anti-gambling "laws" require them to do so, but it is the consumer moral compass that guide them to do the right things for the consumers, not the fake governments/politicians or Santa Claus. :D

28-Oct-2018 19:11:41

Dilbert2001
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I Lack Heart said :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPVOeyRYBPk
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46286945

GG ;) the time is running out.

Yes, GG for the illegal gambling sites, the time is running out.

And good time for the developers offering game of chance "gambling" simulations which are 100% approved by the UK governments, and in the position to stop children from going to real world illegal gambling sites with their parent's money. :D :D :D

21-Nov-2018 22:19:05

Dilbert2001
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I Lack Heart said :
Draco Burnz said :
I Lack Heart said :
GG the time is running out.

You do know that that has nothing to do with rs right?

TH =/= Loot Boxes.
So opening a treasure chest is not a chest with loot inside like a lootbox but instead it is game of skill that has nothing to do with luck.

Governments of different countries may have different definitions of "loot box" but being a game of skill or not, or with luck or not don't make a "loot box" gambling. In particular, in UK, the kinds of "loot boxes" in video games, not just TH in Jagex are not gambling. However, skin and virtual item gambling, like wagering a Twisted Bow on a 3rd party gambling site not owned by Jagex is absolutely gambling... but we all know Twisted Bow doesn't come from TH. ;)

22-Nov-2018 22:06:19 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2018 23:04:57 by Dilbert2001

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