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Hguoh

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Quael said :
Hguoh said :
Penny Drakis said :
Also, Dorgesh-Kaan is no more. It was destroyed recently enough that there were enough intact goblin inventions to reverse engineer several electric appliances. But still. DESTROYED BY THE WRATH OF BANDOS
ZANIK
. Sure, Bandos was likely greatly weakened by Guthix, but it seems that his chosen commander still rose.

ZANIK'S ALIVE!


Erm.... Not quite. Without us there, assuming Zanik ever left Dorgesh-Kaan, Zanik would have died at HAM's hands and had nobody to take her to the Tears of Guthix. More notably, there would have been nobody around to expose Sigmund's attempt to frame the Dorgeshuun.

At best, Zanik would have been leading the Dorgeshuun against an assault by the military of Lumbridge without her Bandos Avatar form (never taken to Yu'biusk) until HAM brought the cave down upon their city.


According to Zemouregal's notes, Zanik is appointed Chosen Commander by Bandos and goes to the Temple of Lost Ancients to lead Bandos' forces there. Under her leadership, the forces of Bandos push back their enemies, seize all the pieces of the Godsword, and use the reforged weapons to achieve final victory over all other forces. However, Zanik, overconfident in her victory, then discovered and opened the ancient prison beneath the temple and was killed by Nex instantly.

Plus it was stated that the tears of Guthix didn't save her, it was Bandos, That's why when she was dying in Mighty Falls, because Bandos used up his energy to save her, weakening him to a lower tier.


2 things:

1. In Zemouregal's notes never specify that the Chosen Commander of their world is Zanik.
2. Bandos had a notably large chunk of his power drained by Guthix, not exactly leaving him much spare power to say revive a certain cave goblin and infuse an amulet with enough power to make her his Avatar.

27-Oct-2016 05:14:53 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2016 05:15:06 by Hguoh

HeroicSnorro

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Quael said :
Hguoh said :
Penny Drakis said :
Also, Dorgesh-Kaan is no more. It was destroyed recently enough that there were enough intact goblin inventions to reverse engineer several electric appliances. But still. DESTROYED BY THE WRATH OF BANDOS
ZANIK
. Sure, Bandos was likely greatly weakened by Guthix, but it seems that his chosen commander still rose.

ZANIK'S ALIVE!


Erm.... Not quite. Without us there, assuming Zanik ever left Dorgesh-Kaan, Zanik would have died at HAM's hands and had nobody to take her to the Tears of Guthix. More notably, there would have been nobody around to expose Sigmund's attempt to frame the Dorgeshuun.

At best, Zanik would have been leading the Dorgeshuun against an assault by the military of Lumbridge without her Bandos Avatar form (never taken to Yu'biusk) until HAM brought the cave down upon their city.


According to Zemouregal's notes, Zanik is appointed Chosen Commander by Bandos and goes to the Temple of Lost Ancients to lead Bandos' forces there. Under her leadership, the forces of Bandos push back their enemies, seize all the pieces of the Godsword, and use the reforged weapons to achieve final victory over all other forces. However, Zanik, overconfident in her victory, then discovered and opened the ancient prison beneath the temple and was killed by Nex instantly.

Plus it was stated that the tears of Guthix didn't save her, it was Bandos, That's why when she was dying in Mighty Falls, because Bandos used up his energy to save her, weakening him to a lower tier.


Did I miss something really obvious or was this an oversight? Zaros didn't go to Gielinor because he didn't feel Seren's pull, right? How could Nex be resting underneath the temple in that case?

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27-Oct-2016 14:42:49

Hguoh

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HeroicSnorro said :
Quael said :
Hguoh said :
Penny Drakis said :
Also, Dorgesh-Kaan is no more. It was destroyed recently enough that there were enough intact goblin inventions to reverse engineer several electric appliances. But still. DESTROYED BY THE WRATH OF BANDOS
ZANIK
. Sure, Bandos was likely greatly weakened by Guthix, but it seems that his chosen commander still rose.

ZANIK'S ALIVE!


Erm.... Not quite. Without us there, assuming Zanik ever left Dorgesh-Kaan, Zanik would have died at HAM's hands and had nobody to take her to the Tears of Guthix. More notably, there would have been nobody around to expose Sigmund's attempt to frame the Dorgeshuun.

At best, Zanik would have been leading the Dorgeshuun against an assault by the military of Lumbridge without her Bandos Avatar form (never taken to Yu'biusk) until HAM brought the cave down upon their city.


According to Zemouregal's notes, Zanik is appointed Chosen Commander by Bandos and goes to the Temple of Lost Ancients to lead Bandos' forces there. Under her leadership, the forces of Bandos push back their enemies, seize all the pieces of the Godsword, and use the reforged weapons to achieve final victory over all other forces. However, Zanik, overconfident in her victory, then discovered and opened the ancient prison beneath the temple and was killed by Nex instantly.

Plus it was stated that the tears of Guthix didn't save her, it was Bandos, That's why when she was dying in Mighty Falls, because Bandos used up his energy to save her, weakening him to a lower tier.


Did I miss something really obvious or was this an oversight? Zaros didn't go to Gielinor because he didn't feel Seren's pull, right? How could Nex be resting underneath the temple in that case?

-=HeroicSnorro=-


Simple, Loarnab (the dark imperator) made her.

27-Oct-2016 14:59:15

HeroicSnorro

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Fair enough, considering the Loarnab/Zaros parallel. However, this made me really curious as to why he would create something like that. I can't quite imagine Loarnab visiting the Ilujanka and taking pity on them, eventually leading to Nex' creation.

(Honestly, if this is already known there must've been a lot I've missed in DoD)

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27-Oct-2016 15:49:47

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HeroicSnorro said :
Fair enough, considering the Loarnab/Zaros parallel. However, this made me really curious as to why he would create something like that. I can't quite imagine Loarnab visiting the Ilujanka and taking pity on them, eventually leading to Nex' creation.

(Honestly, if this is already known there must've been a lot I've missed in DoD)

-=HeroicSnorro=-
I have a thought....what if instead of a World Guardian there is a real cliché going on here filling in for the role of Zaros? What would kind of Machiavellian Frankenstein would be the opposite of a guardian? Maybe they could be filling in the blanks.
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27-Oct-2016 19:09:46

Penny Drakis

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HeroicSnorro said :
Fair enough, considering the Loarnab/Zaros parallel. However, this made me really curious as to why he would create something like that. I can't quite imagine Loarnab visiting the Ilujanka and taking pity on them, eventually leading to Nex' creation.

(Honestly, if this is already known there must've been a lot I've missed in DoD)

-=HeroicSnorro=-

I haven't even done DoD, but I am ok with spoilng myself. Anyhow, relevant Lore to both your and my misunderstanding...
NEX

A twisted fusion of hydra, virius, dragon and mahjarrat. Nex was created at the height of the empire by its unholy ruler and served as champion and general. Becoming stronger with every victory, Nex was undefeated on the battlefield for centuries, even long after the fall of the empire.

She was finally sealed away in the Temple of Lost Ancients during the Third Age.

Thousands of years later, the Temple of Lost Ancients was rediscovered and the forces within resumed their age-old battle, but remained locked in an impasse. The stalemate was broken when the newly appointed chosen commander of Bandos arrived and assumed control of the war god's forces.

Under new leadership the forces of Bandos slowly pushed back their enemies, finally seizing the pieces of the 'Godsword' they fought over, using the reforged weapons to attain final victory.

The Chosen Commander, overconfident in victory, then discovered and opened the ancient prison beneath the temple, and was immediately slain by the released Nex. Nex's whereabouts, and what of the Godsword, are currently unknown.

So yep, the Chosen Commander did rise but it wasn't necessarily Zanik, the Bandosians might still have the actual Godsword, and DoD Nex isn't our Nex. Nex could have been created for completely different reasons and the Dark Imperator might have never known the Ilujanka existed.
Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

28-Oct-2016 02:21:22

Penny Drakis

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This brings up an interesting question, though. How did the Virii get to Gielinor? Are there other demons hanging about in the alternate timeline?

Wait, how did the mahjarrat make it to Gielinor?
~edit~ Icthlarin and Amascut are still a thing; they could have still had a beef with the Dark Imperator. No duh Penny.

Maybe the reason Amascut is a bit saner in the alternate timeline is because she didn't get upset at the mahjarrat and walk off to encounter Mah. I dunno what that has to do with the World Guardian not existing, though.
Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

28-Oct-2016 02:30:05 - Last edited on 28-Oct-2016 02:39:14 by Penny Drakis

Solanumtinkr

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Penny Drakis said :
Maybe the reason Amascut is a bit saner in the alternate timeline is because she didn't get upset at the mahjarrat and walk off to encounter Mah. I dunno what that has to do with the World Guardian not existing, though.
Well at a guess, I'd say our trip back in time was far more important than we thought. Someone we helped out back in our universe either directly or indirectly, went dark side in the DoD universe.

All because we were not there; a guiding light to show the way. And that you can reach the supposedly unreachable. Our deeds have echoed right across the world to the point that some would be bag guys dragged out weapons reserved for killing gods. Seems we are the candle that chases back the shadows.

All because we helped out a fruit farm and witnessed the arrival of the first humans on Gielinor; because then others witnessed us. A mere human that achieved time travel and meddled where gods have failed. That could not do anything but change the way some see things. Could it be that simple?

If it is to do with the immortals, then it boils down to one simple fact, in regards to our time traveling selves. It would make us uniquely qualified to do something they cannot. It would make them more cautious and have a knock on effect with anyone they interact with. They would think carefully before acting out their plans. What keeps them in line? Fear.

There is one other thing we can do. Nefarious are best done in the shadows, and we tend to find out all the secrets and light every dark corner. As Sliske found out recently. So we do what we do best...

The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
Poke monsters with a sharp stick, Then steal anything that isn't nailed down!
The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
Poke monsters with a sharp stick, Then steal anything that isn't nailed down!
To the Manor Born QFC 185-186-367-65788716

28-Oct-2016 06:04:36 - Last edited on 28-Oct-2016 06:24:54 by Solanumtinkr

William Witt
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Anyone read the signposts in the Halloween event world?

"North-west to Trolley, Trollthorpe and parts beyond."

"South to Falador (under new management)."

"East: Gunnarsgone

Barbarians were here. Wiped out in a family feud."

Using the orb of oculus to peer at the barbarian village confirms that it's in poor shape. What family feud are they referring to?


"East: New Varrock

East to subjugation and death."

"North: White Knights' Fortress

North to the super secret base of the White Knights."
The Asgarnian ale must flow.

28-Oct-2016 06:20:53

Hguoh

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William Witt said :
Barbarians were here. Wiped out in a family feud."

Using the orb of oculus to peer at the barbarian village confirms that it's in poor shape. What family feud are they referring to?


I'd assume Kharshai's invasion of New Varrock (and thus attack against Zemouregal).

28-Oct-2016 08:22:45 - Last edited on 28-Oct-2016 08:23:00 by Hguoh

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