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Roar Trout

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What about Ashdale? No, no. NO! You can't have the ugly cave things taking over, that is so rest of the world copy/paste! >.<

With no world guardian Gudrik sees the coming destruction and decides to do something about it. Everyone is so busy killing each other they don't see the rise of the Ashdalian Empire until it is too late. Never has there been a more wretched hive of scum and villainy!

They tweaked the transformation process of those things in the cave to make their own slave soldiers of those they capture. Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to free Agoroth and his people!
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25-Oct-2016 20:51:29

Hguoh

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You'd have a reasonably good point if it weren't for the fact that we've helped out all over Gielinor. For example, let's take a look at Kandarin as per your example.

As we already know, Seren never stayed on Gielinor in their timeline (which, come to think of it, means Seren would have never made her barrier around the area that Guthix based his Edicts on, explaining why their Guthix didn't make a barrier).

This would mean that the entirety of the Isafdar area wouldn't have been colonized by the elves. Assuming the area remained uncolonized, Tyras would have never been able to travel westward, as the elves would have never made the pass. So far, so good.

And as for Hazeel, he gets revived, deposes both kings, and could rule not badly. But that's only half of what Kandarin is facing. Keep in mind that Witchaven lies directly to its east. Without the player's influence and Falador crippled and eventually conquered by the Kinshra and their schemes, the sea slugs would have been free to start mind controlling the world's inhabitants, with Ardougne being the first in the firing line. Sure, Zemo might think his brother is king of Ardougne, but the Sea Slug Queen most likely has Hazeel and all of Ardougne's population under her thrall by now.

And honestly, things don't look much better for the rest of that half of the continent. Frems get overrun by Dagganoth, Glouck's schemes within gnome territories go unnoticed and unopposed, and neither the zogres nor the ogress' spa issues are ever adressed.

This leaves Catherby and Seer's Village as the last bastions of 'good' beset on all sides by their enemies.

I do have a theory that has a more interesting implications, and involves Tyra's crossing into Isafdar, but I'll post that once I get access to a computer rather than a phone.

25-Oct-2016 21:34:33

Roar Trout

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I have a rather unusual theory, though no liability will be accepted for exploding brains as people wrap their heads around this!

Once upon a time there was an adventurer that discovers a time traveling key. They go back and observe the past and prode a few things while there. But others saw them...

One of these people was Seren, Who then started their own investigations in to time to try and break their bond to the elves. They go back.....wwwaaaaayyyy back. They meddle. They then use the same portal they travelled back with to return to the future to see the results...

Funny thing.. They use a portal tuned to the current universe to go back and so by using the same portal they also return to the same one, same timeline they left in the first place. All as if they never left.

Nothing interesting happened.

Or did it?

An altered timeline would not have had any time traveling to go forward with in the first place...maybe if they had gone forward by living it things would have been very different.

Dimension of Disaster different!

Could such a trip have created an alternate timeline where we never existsed, where Seren with a broken bond went her own way, so Zaros was never attracted here by their mutual bond and Guthix was left extremely cranky and tore the gods a new one when they messed up his lawn?
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25-Oct-2016 21:53:12 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2016 21:54:49 by Roar Trout

William Witt
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@ Hguoh: Will respond to your other points a bit later, but for now I'll point out - It was us who freed the Mother Mallum. Another of our major oops moments. Also unsure if the Fremennik did get overrun, considering we see in alt-Zemouregal's notes that Kharshai led the Fremennik in an attack upon him.

Also forgot to mention (was going to in my first post but it slipped my mind) how Gypsy Aris (our Gypsy Aris) tells us in DoD that our actions will resolve the differences between the two worlds or something, implying to me that the world isn't drastically changed.
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25-Oct-2016 22:42:00 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2016 22:46:26 by William Witt

Hguoh

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Ok, fun time.

In order to get events fairly close to what they are in were in ours, Isafdar first needs to be colonized way back when. Given the area, the first beings to be able to do this would have been some of the original humans via the northern pass through the mountains. The only other option really being the gnomes, but let's go with the humans since size would give away the Mourner plot.

These humans would have had to survive the god wars unconquered and relatively unscathed. This isn't as hard as it sounds given the geographic isolation of the area (only place to attack by is the easily defendable pass) and the apparent lack of valuable resources in the area (Zaros only found out about the World Gate when he went to meet Seren).

So now, we just need our 'Dark Lord' character they want to release. Fortunately enough, Guthix actually provides a fairly good way to fill this. We already know that Guthix drained he gods of most of their power before expelling them from Gielinor. Knowing that so much god energy could lead to the propagation of new gods, Guthix goes to the people in Isafdar who largely avoided participation in the God Wars. There he infuses a large chunk of the drained energies into a construct based on his most powerful memories (namely: Aagi), and tasks the people of the area with protecting and imprisoning this power.

Fast forward a bit, the humans fight and civil war erupts amongst these people, leading to events similar to those of the Plague storyline without the player's intervention. Tyras goes west through the Underground Passage getting himself involved in the conflict over there. Lathas allies with the Mourners, and things proceed as normal until after RotM (Lucien's rampage is mostly him dismantling them as they fail to stop him without our help).

25-Oct-2016 23:14:40

Hguoh

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After the ritual, Hazeel comes back and conquers Ardougne. Shortly thereafter, the Slug Prince (who was already free) takes over a large chunk if not the entirety of Ardougne using the Sea Slugs' natural mind control abilities (again, already were free before we freed Mallum), or simply tricked Hazeel or some 'freedom fighter' into freeing Mallum and then conquered Ardougne, with the Mourners holding a small foothold of control in what is West Ardougne.

Tyras returns to find his kingdom devestated, and ends up siding with the Mourners intending to sacrifice a large chunk of the infected to free the Memory and use her to take back Kandarin, while the Mourners intend to use her to bring about a remaking of Gielinor (like breaking the Edicts was said to do during the Myreque quests).

25-Oct-2016 23:32:31

Hguoh

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As for Kharshai's attack, note that it points out he was leading a small band of Barbarian Savages. My guess as to what happened is that as Koschei the Deathless, Kharshai was the only one able to survive the Dagganoth attack.

Considering Zemouregal is made aware of Kharshai's continued existence by the attack rather than Kharshai regaining his memories, this would appear to indicate that he had not recovered his memories at the time of the attack. As Koschei, he likely traveled to the Barbarian village (hence the small attack force) and eventually led an attack on New Varrock (likely due to Zemo's use of necromancy: which is magic (the Fremmy's don't particularly like) and disrupts the natural order (which again, the Fremmy's don't particularly like).

Upon capture, Zemo likely either realized it was Kharshai upon close proximity, or discovered it after investigating Koschei's possessions (which would likely include the Balmung and the little ship's jewel).

Anyway, the important things are that Kharshai did not have his memories at the time and his attack force was small, and that doesn't indicate well off Fremmies.

25-Oct-2016 23:52:58 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2016 00:03:09 by Hguoh

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26-Oct-2016 05:14:28

Penny Drakis

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Hguoh said :
With this year's Halloween event taking place in the Dimension of DIsaster, let's take some time to record the new lore about their world that this event provides.

Black Knights control Falador
Trolls control Burthorpe and Taverly
Guthix was able to drain the gods of their divine energies before banishing them (kinda makes you wonder why he didn't do that in our reality).

Oh yeah, and, if the construct is anything to go by, Bandos was apparently grey beneath all that armor.


Also, Dorgesh-Kaan is no more. It was destroyed recently enough that there were enough intact goblin inventions to reverse engineer several electric appliances. But still. DESTROYED BY THE WRATH OF BANDOS
ZANIK
. Sure, Bandos was likely greatly weakened by Guthix, but it seems that his chosen commander still rose.

ZANIK'S ALIVE!

Zanik is very likely an important player on the world stage as the Avatar of Bandos, yet she is missing from all the speculation I have seen in this thread so far.

As your resident fairy minder, allow me to throw my baseless speculation in the ring. Without the influence of The Adventurer, The Fairy Mafia would have had a much easier time with it's coup. The Fairy Godfather might have needed less help from the orcs, in fact. However, the Resistance would still have overt assistance and leadership from the Tooth Fairy General and covert assistance from Fairy Fixit. After developing and perfecting the tooth beasts in secret, the Resistance made a quick and bloody end to Mafia rule. With power over a vast teleportation network, power to cause blights and famines, and a growing army of toothbeasts, the Zanarians are a very serious threat.

What is the real reason why you can't use teleportation magic in New Varrock? Teleblock is the only thing preventing the Zanarians from gaining a beachhead.

(You can teleport out of the Hallowe'en event into the normal world. Maybe an oversight.)
Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

26-Oct-2016 05:43:54

Penny Drakis

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Also, note that ALL THE TREES ARE DEAD.

GIELINOR ITSELF IS UNDER SIEGE BY ZANARIANS.

PANIC BUY TINFOIL HATS!!!!!!!!!!
Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

26-Oct-2016 05:50:28 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2016 05:55:23 by Penny Drakis

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