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A Mad Hatter
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Bandosian said :
A Mad Hatter said :
Not gonna lie, that was a little more eloquent than I expected from a Bandosian aligned character. I'm not sure how to feel about it actually >_<

I personally loved it, and it felt so right to finally have my character speak in a way I have felt for so long by following Bandos. Being the World Guardian and yet following Bandos, I felt very satisfied reading this dialogue while questing.


I'm not Bandosian so I really can't say I agree or disagree otherwise, but I think the dialogue also highlights another thing to consider that I don't think is mentioned enough. Namely, the fact that the god and the ideals are two different entities entirely.

Bandos himself was undeniably evil with a capital E. The guy pretty much committed genocide against his own race/world because of his twisted views justifying it all. There's no amount of backpedaling and strawman arguments that can change that.

But this dialogue also shows that it's possible to follow a god's ideal and not be a total jerkass even if the original ideology itself is questionable. Technically the character in this scenario isn't wrong: if it wasn't for their strength the Cave Goblins would've been totally screwed by now, and I'm sure anyone in their position would be sick and tired of hearing how insane they are for following something that's been proven to work even though the source was...well, Bandos.

I know it's not anything totally new, but that just about sums up my initial thoughts. I'm pretty interested to see if this changes based on faction alignment though.
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16-Feb-2016 03:03:02

Bandosian
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Roland Lyons said :
Interesting.

Did you let her come back with you or not? How did she react?

Glad you asked. Yes, I did let her come back with me. Although we don't see things the same way, I decided to give her a second chance. I was also hoping for more post-quest dialogue from her but she doesn't really have much.

Towards the end I was able to speak to her about this again:


Zanik:
No. Not today. Bandos is wrong and his beliefs are dangerous, but perhaps if his followers were more like you...


Zanik:
It's not Bandos that gives you that power, or his philosophy, but you and your interpretation of it.


Zanik:
If the Bandosians were more like you, perhaps there would be fewer monsters.
"I see a world where there is no need to flatter and deceive: where power is there to be taken by those with the strength to do so." - Bandos

16-Feb-2016 03:33:14

Bandosian
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A Mad Hatter said :
But this dialogue also shows that it's possible to follow a god's ideal and not be a total jerkass even if the original ideology itself is questionable.

Sounds like something Zanik said:

Zanik:
It's not Bandos that gives you that power, or his philosophy, but you and your interpretation of it.


I do agree.
"I see a world where there is no need to flatter and deceive: where power is there to be taken by those with the strength to do so." - Bandos

16-Feb-2016 03:35:45

Bandosian
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Aterivus said :
This is actually incredible. I wouldn't have expected Jagex to even bother giving Bandosians anything like this, and it's a nice touch for those who are aligned to him to get a chance to actually explain their side of things.

I did not expect this at all, I knew there might have been some dialogue, but not this much. And I did not expect how much explaining it would bring. I hope Jagex can notice this because I appreciate it a lot as a player who has aligned to Bandos. I really enjoyed being able to personalize my experience by following Bandos, and even though he is dead, we are not forgotten. I hope this keeps on going for future quests as well.
"I see a world where there is no need to flatter and deceive: where power is there to be taken by those with the strength to do so." - Bandos

16-Feb-2016 03:39:36

Velia
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First: Thank you for sharing. There aren't many Bandosians around to reveal these dialogue differences.

It's really nice that they put that in instead of "Me like smashy things!" for Bandosians. I think A Mad Hatter hit the nail on the head though; "[...]it's possible to follow a god's ideal and not be a total jerkass even if the original ideology itself is questionable."

I mean each of the factions have perfectly valid, truthful reasons to align with, even if, as quoted above, the original ideology itself is questionable, or if the figurehead themselves are completely twisted. It's just that some factions good aspects aren't as readily apparent as others, with the Bandosians being the poster child of it.

...It makes me wonder if my character will get something similar, being a Sliskean and all. And before anyone asks: no, there didn't seem to be any (noticeable) dialogue changes for following Sliske, in fact it wasn't referenced at all.

16-Feb-2016 03:42:14

Bandosian
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Velia said :
First: Thank you for sharing. There aren't many Bandosians around to reveal these dialogue differences.

It's really nice that they put that in instead of "Me like smashy things!" for Bandosians. I think A Mad Hatter hit the nail on the head though; "[...]it's possible to follow a god's ideal and not be a total jerkass even if the original ideology itself is questionable."

I mean each of the factions have perfectly valid, truthful reasons to align with, even if, as quoted above, the original ideology itself is questionable, or if the figurehead themselves are completely twisted. It's just that some factions good aspects aren't as readily apparent as others, with the Bandosians being the poster child of it.

...It makes me wonder if my character will get something similar, being a Sliskean and all. And before anyone asks: no, there didn't seem to be any (noticeable) dialogue changes for following Sliske, in fact it wasn't referenced at all.

Thanks, sadly there aren't many Bandosians. I am glad that even in few numbers these dialogue options still were available in-game.

In regards to Sliske, I am curious to see if any extra dialogue is added for Sliske followers in the upcoming quests (Sliske's Endgame series). I've seen threads made before on how Sliske doesn't seem to care if you follow him or not, although to be fair he treats Relomia (Emissary of Sliske) quite the same. I would hope (even though I am not Sliskean) that Sliske eventually can have some sort of awareness if the player chose to follow him.
"I see a world where there is no need to flatter and deceive: where power is there to be taken by those with the strength to do so." - Bandos

16-Feb-2016 03:52:40

Roland Lyons
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Velia said :
I mean each of the factions have perfectly valid, truthful reasons to align with, even if, as quoted above, the original ideology itself is questionable, or if the figurehead themselves are completely twisted. It's just that some factions good aspects aren't as readily apparent as others, with the Bandosians being the poster child of it.
That's the beauty of it. Take us Saradominists for example, we have people ranging from friendly knights and wizards to psychopaths like Sigmund.

Zamorak has decent people like Daquarius to monsters like Jerrod.

It's all perspective.
I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

16-Feb-2016 04:07:09 - Last edited on 16-Feb-2016 23:09:46 by Roland Lyons

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Roland Lyons said :
I mean each of the factions have perfectly valid, truthful reasons to align with, even if, as quoted above, the original ideology itself is questionable, or if the figurehead themselves are completely twisted. It's just that some factions good aspects aren't as readily apparent as others, with the Bandosians being the poster child of it.[/quote
That's the beauty of it. Take us Saradominists for example, we have people ranging from friendly knights and wizards to psychopaths like Sigmund.

Zamorak has decent people like Daquarius to monsters like Jerrod.

It's all perspective.

Care to point out those friendly Knights and wizards?

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