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Cthris
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Chaos Lupus said :
@ Noct

It's confirmed that Zamorak never enslaved the werewolves. It's just mentioned by Copernicus Glyph in-game. I believe it was also mentioned by a vampyre at some point, but I don't recall who.

Confirmed outside of game by I believe Mod Anna? Who doesn't even work at Jagex anymore. We have yet to see any change since, so who knows, it's not like they haven't changed their minds on other stuff about werewolves. Anyways, keep in mind my exact words were "It's factual an npc says that Zamorak enslaved the werewolves"

30-Aug-2016 03:34:26 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2016 03:35:15 by Cthris

Chaos Lupus

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Cthris said :
Chaos Lupus said :
@ Noct

It's confirmed that Zamorak never enslaved the werewolves. It's just mentioned by Copernicus Glyph in-game. I believe it was also mentioned by a vampyre at some point, but I don't recall who.

Confirmed outside of game by I believe Mod Anna? Who doesn't even work at Jagex anymore. We have yet to see any change since, so who knows, it's not like they haven't changed their minds on other stuff about werewolves. Anyways, keep in mind my exact words were "It's factual an npc says that Zamorak enslaved the werewolves"

Ana might have confirmed it as well, but that's not what I'm referring to. Watch the TSP interview with the mods at Runefest 2014.

It's factual that NPC's say a lot of things that aren't accurate.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

30-Aug-2016 03:56:48 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2016 03:57:10 by Chaos Lupus

Cthris
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Chaos Lupus said :
Cthris said :
Chaos Lupus said :
@ Noct

It's confirmed that Zamorak never enslaved the werewolves. It's just mentioned by Copernicus Glyph in-game. I believe it was also mentioned by a vampyre at some point, but I don't recall who.

Confirmed outside of game by I believe Mod Anna? Who doesn't even work at Jagex anymore. We have yet to see any change since, so who knows, it's not like they haven't changed their minds on other stuff about werewolves. Anyways, keep in mind my exact words were "It's factual an npc says that Zamorak enslaved the werewolves"

A) Ana might have confirmed it as well, but that's not what I'm referring to. Watch the TSP interview with the mods at Runefest 2014.

B) It's factual that NPC's say a lot of things that aren't accurate.
A) Okay that doesn't really change what I said.
B) Okay that doesn't really change what I said.

30-Aug-2016 04:02:52

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Cthris said :
You're going to tell me that Zamorak, the advocate of seizing power, was perfectly happy to let the demons mob him before he picked up the two most powerful objects in the universe that were lying at his feet....

Can't we agree that NOTHING in that memory made sense?

-Zemourgal seeing the Stone of Jas and then not believing in it later.

-Zamorak supposedly hiding the knowledge of the Stone of Jas but then just leaving it in broad daylight....then again, that was suggested by Movario, who is...kind of an idiot.

-Zamorak bringing this stone in public viw.

-Zaros not simply saying "yoink" and taking the stone mid battle.

-NOBODY BOTHERING WITH THE STONE! Not Zemourgal, not Azzanadra, not Drakan--nobody was interested in claiming it and just waited for Saradomin to come.

-The demons not bothering with the artifacts.

-None of the other followers bothering to stop the demons and tell them to bring the artifacts.

-Zamorak leaving the staff. It was stuck in his body, he would have had to physically pull it out and then just drop it.

-Saradomin and Armadyl just happening to show up and taking the artifacts.

-Saradomin and Armadyl not squabbling over getting both.

-Both of them showing up at the exact same moment so they would both get an artifact.

-None of the other Gods coming. Not even Seren.

-Saradomin and Armadyl seeing Zamorak get carried off by the demons and thinking he had been banished.

-Saradomin and Armadyl assuming the other banished him....even though they just got there.

-Demons being able to take Zamorak all the way to infernus when even Zaros struggles with this.

-The demons doing this without much effort.

-It contradicts the Book of Zaros.

Honestly, there was no reason to recon Viggora's version. That made FAR more sense. Seren banishing Zamorak out of anger and Saradomin/Armadyl banishing him to teach mortals not to stand up against Gods makes MUCH mroe sense. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

30-Aug-2016 04:24:50 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2016 04:25:51 by Hazeel

Chaos Lupus

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Cthris said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Cthris said :
Chaos Lupus said :
@ Noct

It's confirmed that Zamorak never enslaved the werewolves. It's just mentioned by Copernicus Glyph in-game. I believe it was also mentioned by a vampyre at some point, but I don't recall who.

Confirmed outside of game by I believe Mod Anna? Who doesn't even work at Jagex anymore. We have yet to see any change since, so who knows, it's not like they haven't changed their minds on other stuff about werewolves. Anyways, keep in mind my exact words were "It's factual an npc says that Zamorak enslaved the werewolves"

A) Ana might have confirmed it as well, but that's not what I'm referring to. Watch the TSP interview with the mods at Runefest 2014.

B) It's factual that NPC's say a lot of things that aren't accurate.
A) Okay that doesn't really change what I said.
B) Okay that doesn't really change what I said.

You asked.

Anyway, it's unlikely that they'd do a 180, they were all pretty adamant that it wasn't in-character. They've been pretty dedicated to making Zamorak a grey character, it's pretty difficult to do that if he's a slaver. And as for the Huzamogaarb, I doubt they'll write them as slaves, if they ever actually delve into it. The only references are their name, which just translates to "live flesh eaters of the chaos god," and The Glory of General Graardor, which says Graardor sold his strength and armies to the highest bidder, which sounds to me like they were just mercenaries. They were willingly following Graardor for gold in the first place.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

30-Aug-2016 04:24:51

Hazeel

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The only reason I stopped listing is because I literally ran out of character space. But as far as Zamorak and slavery goes....

-While slaves, Bilrach did comment that the people who went with him came willingly.

-Zamorakians are definitely slave owners.

-While there isn't any definitive proof of Zamorak owning slaves, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

-I do think there's a general moral code of strength to this. Basically, the weak deserve to be enslaved, and the strong will break their shackles.

-I could definitely see Zamorak saying that freedom is earned, not given.

-I don't think he has a set of rules for this though, whether he's pro-slavery or anti-slavery. He lets his followers do what they want, whether they believe in slavery or not. They don't need his blessing to follow their own views. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

30-Aug-2016 04:30:43 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2016 04:32:17 by Hazeel

Sepulchre
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Zulkir said :
Cthris said :
^ that cutscene is kinda fucked though. For one thing they are using language even though Zaros said he never used/had it before meeting mortals. Either he's lying or the cutscene isn't accurate.

I liken it to a story rather than a flashback. It's Zaros' interpretation of events told in a way we can understand. Neither name would likely gave existed before meeting mortals if Zaros is telling the truth.

I'm not sure lying about being able to use language before Infernus would be at all worth lying about really, I'd agree with your idea that it's more tailored so we can understand it instead of a 100% representation of all the small rather unimportant details of how it happened. Besides, that cutscene is actually showed as a flashback to us by Seren , not by Zaros. After she asks us if 'Zaros had a hand in her revival,' she shows it to us. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

30-Aug-2016 05:01:18

Sepulchre
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Ancient Drew said :
Sepulchre said :
I believe Seren is a play off the word Serene . Given this word and what it means, I'd suspect that Seren was the name she was given by the Elves. It just seems to fit in with the general ideals and the speaking manner of the Elves, a word like Serene. Seren is actually Welsh for 'star', which I think suits her alignment with light. All the elves and their language are derived from Welsh as well, and I think the gnomes had made up their own dialect from the elves' language. That makes more sense. It's funny too, I remembered full well that the Elven language was based off of Welsh, yet to check for the word actually being Welsh never occurred to me. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

30-Aug-2016 05:06:23

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