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Cthris
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Hazeel said :


Those are great points about why killing the weak would be beneficial in regards to efficiency, resources etc. and I agree that it would indeed be beneficial in many regards to do so.

But the point I'm trying to get at is whether you believe we should? Do you believe society deserves to be more efficient? Why should a society increase it's efficiency? Why shouldn't society just crumble? Why is an efficient society more important than helping the weak/lazy?

On the other hand, why should we help the weak? Do the weak deserve to be helped? Do we deserve to help the weak? Why should we put a single human unit above a society?

The second set of questions people could answer through arbitrary responses, maybe religion, maybe to support genes, maybe because helping the weak releases dopamine and life is all about feeling good. What's your arbitrary reason? And by arbitrary, I don't mean to imply that your reasoning is invalid, arbitrary reasons can be perfectly valid, they are just arguable.

16-Oct-2015 23:01:52 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2015 23:11:13 by Cthris

Hazeel

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Well I'm not an anarchist by any means, so I wouldn't want all forms of society to crumble. Instead, I would prefer a society in which any who contributes to it would benefit in the long run. Lazy weaklings offer nothing to nobody. The only way they survive is by holding us down. So why should I allowed myself to be anchored down by helping them?

In truth, it all leads to my benefit in the end from a logical perspective. If you wanted to go through a moral perspective, there's the fact that others who are helpful to society benefit as well. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Oct-2015 02:41:54

ZAmorakZaros
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ZAmorakZaros said :
God of welfare... welfare... finland... I just realized that Finland needs some zamorakianism...
It must be the reason for Finland's current situation... NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Oct-2015 09:11:25

Azair Blaidd

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In the wise words of Vision:
"Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and... try to control what won't be..."
~PEACE~AND~UNITY~IN~BALANCE~
The restriction of one thing will lead to the extremity of its opposite.
Life is about balance; the good and bad, the darkness and light.

21-Oct-2015 17:07:28

Lianna98

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Sorry for the late reply, Aterivus.

While I can also agree with some of your points regarding Zamorakianism (quite a few of them are exactly what I'm looking for from all the Zamorakians who replied to me), my stand on things remains the same.

Your take on how humans of the post-God Wars era reestablished their civilizations was accurate in a way but I would need to strongly point out that faith have been more of a crucial factor than you have let on. You're definitely correct about the mentality of uniting in the hopes of furthering their chances on self-preservation. Safety in numbers, for short. This eventually led to their societies evolving eventually to what they are today. But, it is through this stages that the concept of faith manifested itself even greater upon those enlightened by it.

Very much unlike ours, their world featured divine beings who physically interacted with the realm, shaped it, and had integrated themselves into almost every aspect of the mortals' lives. The actual fact that someone with a greater power could, and oftentimes had, directly enacted their wills upon mortals had made faith very much more than an abstract entity. The knowledge that some of these greater powers sought the destruction of most mortals naturally led the humans of that time to seek refuge and salvation. This was where Saradominism had assimilated itself which had led to it being a dominant religion today. Faith had become synonymous to hope for many of the refugees relentlessly hunted down by the monstrosities left behind by the 3rd Age. It was also through religion that a lot of humanity's formidable armies are formed. Asgarnia's White & Black Knights stand as a prime example.

---cnp---
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03-Nov-2015 22:29:06

Lianna98

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Misthalin is also a good example of this. Had it not been for the efforts of the Barrows Brothers and the Seven Priestly Warriors in rallying their fellow humans, Drakan's forces could have spilled farther perhaps even into Asgarnia and Kandarin. Even in the present times, Saradominists like the Myreque and the local monks are keeping the vyres in check.

Then we have the more subtle Temple Knights. While they worry me about their plots even as a Saradominist, they still have contributed their part in safeguarding the realm.

While it's mostly true that humans as a whole credit their survival on their united efforts to make Gielinor into a safer place for their species, it is in the direst times where they would still inevitably turn to a higher power. It just so happens that Saradominists were able to capitalize on this. While some may have admittedly a hidden agenda of their own, their resulting efforts as a whole contributed a lot in keeping the stability of each human settlement as they grew.

As for me describing the 5th Age as a stage of stagnation, one look at the God Wars Dungeon is all that's needed. While there was indeed progress, the millenia-old conflict that has been gripping Gielinor is grounded to a stalemate in almost a global scale. It would require a grand catalyst to set everything into motion again and that came with the death of Guthix.

---cnp---
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03-Nov-2015 22:30:40

Lianna98

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Seeing as we both see how Zamorakian philosophy stands and the variations on how each Zamorakian interprets it, I think it's safe to assume you can see now why I would never side with Zamorakians unless absolutely necessary. While it may be true that a handful of its leaders stay true to Zamorak's actual ideals like Lord Daquarius, as long as the rest are tolerated/allowed with their misguided ways, Zamorakianism will most likely never receive the acceptance it had always lacked among ***linorians, not just Saradominists. Perhaps my opinion might change the moment I actually see Zamorakians trying to rectify the errant ways of their fellow followers but I think it's safe to assume that chances would be slim at best.

While it may be true that even Saradomin made unlikely alliances in his stay on Gielinor, they were mainly out of common interests or to combat a greater common threat. These alliances dissolved the moment it was deemed unimportant with the hostile and neutral factions once again being treated as such. Zamorak made alliances but once their goals were met, he left them to their own devices doing what they saw fit. Something Drakan did to the letter.

And yes, even I am not too supportive of the H.A.M movement. Total extermination is reserved only to those who have little to no chance of co-existing with other races. Fortunately, we, as the adventurer, can do something about this. Hopefully the same would go for the other less agreeable parts of our respective factions. I'd totally go on a quest to find out about the Temple Knights' plans.
They make me shiiiaaaiiine!

03-Nov-2015 22:31:32

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