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Hguoh

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Quael said :
As I said before in our debate in the Edict of Guthix's situation Hguoh, The edict was a barrier to keep ALL gods from entering Gielinor. The gods needed to be removed, there is no "applying" a random god (like zaros) couldn't enter Gielinor because of the barrier. Even teh world wake implied that Zaros was effected by the barrier. Unless you are implying that Xau-tak wasn't kicked out, then yes it makes sense. But in this case, there was a portal at the temple. So either it was a portal for one of the deity worshipped by the horrors, or it was something else.

Guthix knew of Zaros and (thanks to us in The Light Within) knew that he'd be alive again in the future. That 's a perfect reason to include him in the Edicts even though he was 'dead' at the time. If he even was given that he was able to affect things on Gielinor directly (the World Wakes just as easily implies that he didn't want to anger Guthix since he didn't yet have somebody capable of building him a new body yet as we were not yet the world guardian).

Furthermore, we do know that the Edicts didn't keep random gods from entering Gielinor since Bandos was able to send over a locket imbued with his Avatar. Based on what we know, it's more like the Edicts hid Gielinor from other gods (Tuska not being able to sense Gielinor until they dropped and the QoA not even knowing it was there until our big bonfires caught her eye), while explicitly banning those that knew .

And yes, it is also a distinct possibility that Xau was never kicked out since the last time Guthix tried that, he broke a world (assuming Xau-Tak is the Renmark corruption).

20-Mar-2018 23:34:57 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 23:36:27 by Hguoh

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Hguoh said :
Divine beings are said to become 'more' of what they were before ascending (ex: Zamorak having 5 jewels on his forehead when normal Mahjarrat have one or Armadyl having 6 wings when normal Aviansie have 2). As such, we would expect the black stone, if it were a part of Xau-Tak and Xau was a Ga'al, to exhibit every last property of TokHaar/TzHaar obsidian to a more heightened degree at the very least.

Yet the only characteristic between the two where this is even remotely related like this is the slayer helm effect on the obsidian helms (works on TzHaar tasks) and that of the black mask (works on any task, but only for melee damage).

Death never mentions anything like Xau-Tak. And the one time we can witness Xau's influence in the Underworld, literally nobody but us notices. Furthermore if Xau-Tak is the corruption from Renmark, at

What it is (assuming it was a Ga'al) would be a living rock creature that contains its very soul in its rock body. If you have a hunk of that you literally have a fragment of divinity. Now factor in that it clearly has some kind of power intrinsically tied to the underworld and the draining of life force, forming of undead, and boosted combat abilities become easily explained. It is really simple math.

And have you seen Xau? Did you play the quest? It warps the sanity of things around it. Subtle it is not. It is a pretty big distortion for anything whose job is to watch the underworld and idk prevent the system of life and death from being abused, let alone going nuclear.

21-Mar-2018 01:02:14

Jakir

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Hguoh said :
Also, what struggle to enter the world? Xau talked to us throughout that entire quest, and continued its machinations on Gielinor through the 5th age despite the Edicts.

The way his arm was reaching through that portal it sure did seem like he wanted in but like something was preventing him from fully crossing over. Like the edicts or perhaps being bound to the underworld in some way.

21-Mar-2018 01:03:23

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Jakir said :
What it is (assuming it was a Ga'al) would be a living rock creature that contains its very soul in its rock body. If you have a hunk of that you literally have a fragment of divinity. Now factor in that it clearly has some kind of power intrinsically tied to the underworld and the draining of life force, forming of undead, and boosted combat abilities become easily explained. It is really simple math.

What evidence do we have for the black stone possessing some of Xau's divinity. Interesting effects on dead or undead, sure, but divinity... I've seen nothing to indicate that.

It also doesn't address the ductility difference between two types of stone.

Jakir said :
And have you seen Xau? Did you play the quest? It warps the sanity of things around it. Subtle it is not. It is a pretty big distortion for anything whose job is to watch the underworld and idk prevent the system of life and death from being abused, let alone going nuclear.

Have you been following the development of Xau-Tak content? How much of it was in game before we even learned its name? How it interacts with the player through means seemingly nobody else can detect or by addressing us through a book that recorded a statement made by someone it was influencing millennia in the past? How it impersonated the Mwanu god to draw them to Gielinor? How its whispers influence can influence the minds of others without ever seeing it?

Subtle it has very much been. And, again, Death and Icthlarin made no note of it (and we know they're paying attention to such things having noted Nomad's consumption of souls and construction of Gielinor and the lack of Zarosian souls transported to an afterlife by Icthlarin).

21-Mar-2018 01:21:12

Hguoh

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Jakir said :
The way his arm was reaching through that portal it sure did seem like he wanted in but like something was preventing him from fully crossing over. Like the edicts or perhaps being bound to the underworld in some way.

The only depictions and visions we've ever had of Xau-Tak's physical form have been black stone arms. That includes on Jermyn, which never had an Edicts barrier and at least once on Gielinor at an unspecified point in time (long enough ago for the Cursed Archipelago to earn its name and for a third age explorer to have witnessed the horrors Xau brought and their depiction of it). If the arms are indeed part of Xau's physical being, it's not being kept out by the Edicts barrier. It either can't ever enter a plane fully (being a denizen of the Abyss or Void), or it simply never wanted to be on a plane fully in the first place.

21-Mar-2018 01:27:29

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While I'm not certain about the TzHaar (I believe that's a different matter, really), and I am certain that it was some aspect of Xau-Tak manifested in the kittens, in the black hand, and of course, at the core of Rabid Jack's undead return.

However, I also believe Xau-Tak could be related to a number of other questlines and stories across Gielinor, namely the Crassians (duh), the Sea Slugs (I don't think Jagex is content to let it have ended with Salt in the Wound), and even the Dagannoths.

Basically, anything related to the Eldritch horrors beneath the sea and all that Cthulhu ftagn.
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21-Mar-2018 04:12:50

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Hguoh said :


Guthix knew of Zaros and (thanks to us in The Light Within) knew that he'd be alive again in the future. That 's a perfect reason to include him in the Edicts even though he was 'dead' at the time. If he even was given that he was able to affect things on Gielinor directly (the World Wakes just as easily implies that he didn't want to anger Guthix since he didn't yet have somebody capable of building him a new body yet as we were not yet the world guardian).

Furthermore, we do know that the Edicts didn't keep random gods from entering Gielinor since Bandos was able to send over a locket imbued with his Avatar. Based on what we know, it's more like the Edicts hid Gielinor from other gods (Tuska not being able to sense Gielinor until they dropped and the QoA not even knowing it was there until our big bonfires caught her eye), while explicitly banning those that knew .

And yes, it is also a distinct possibility that Xau was never kicked out since the last time Guthix tried that, he broke a world (assuming Xau-Tak is the Renmark corruption).

Jagex really just retconned the Edicts into a barrier around Gielinor to stop gods from coming in. He individually banished a number of the gods, such as Bandos.
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21-Mar-2018 05:06:31

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I believe there are two possibilities as to why the hand assuming it's controlled by or is Xau-Tak. One being that the temple is built on some sort of conduit which allows Xau-Tak to interact with Gilenor kinda like the amulet from "The Chosen Commander" series. The other being that the temple the portal is in already seals it off from the outside. So in a sense it's outside the edicts.

I'm sure there will be answers for when we revisit the temple or when we know more about the Dragonkin language. Especially since we know the murals in the temple tell us that the Dragonkin were attempting to perform some kind of experiment on the portal and by extension the hand and black stone. Possibly in attempt to find a way around their bond to the Stone of Jas. But it's clear they had to abandon it and seal it off because they were unable to control it.

As for Xau-Tak's identity well I believe he's more likely a being similar to the Prehistoric Abyssal creature we fought during "Heart of Stone". Which could mean he's from a previous version of the RS Universe. This could explain how he has powers we haven't seen from other beings or even other gods. As we know he was able to communicate directly with us during the quest and he has even communicated with us across space and time.

So may not even fit on the current tier list. But given what we've seen from him so far he's probably around the tier 2 mark in terms of power. The statement below is false.
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21-Mar-2018 08:13:48

Jakir

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Hguoh said :
What evidence do we have for the black stone possessing some of Xau's divinity. Interesting effects on dead or undead, sure, but divinity... I've seen nothing to indicate that.

It also doesn't address the ductility difference between two types of stone.

Have you been following the development of Xau-Tak content? How much of it was in game before we even learned its name? How it interacts with the player through means seemingly nobody else can detect or by addressing us through a book that recorded a statement made by someone it was influencing millennia in the past? How it impersonated the Mwanu god to draw them to Gielinor? How its whispers influence can influence the minds of others without ever seeing it?

Subtle it has very much been. And, again, Death and Icthlarin made no note of it (and we know they're paying attention to such things having noted Nomad's consumption of souls and construction of Gielinor and the lack of Zarosian souls transported to an afterlife by Icthlarin).

The black stone is used to reanimate corpses and it comes from the body of a god. Doesn't take a genius to crunch the numbers on that one. Also Gielinorian obsidian is opaque evidently so they are basically the same stone.

Yea no. Ripping holes between the realms of the living and the dead, alerting the cosmic cat guardian of the underworld, terrorizing an entire ocean with undead pirates, destroying sanity, recruiting Sliske, being active in a realm monitored specifically by a Guardian of Guthix, leaving traces of what it plans to do thousands of years ago because it can't help warping reality around it, ect. #NotSubtle

21-Mar-2018 21:30:49

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