RuneScape Forum Archive | Pieces of Hate Xau'tak theory

Jul

2015

Uncle Harper

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Drama Beach said :
One of mods jokingly said that his godhood tier is square root of -1.
This seems funny, but there is a mathematical number called

imaginary unit "i"

, which is defined as i^2 = -1, suggesting that his godhood tier is indeed 1 (Elder god) but the

i

would suggest that this is something different than known Elder Gods - this made me think he is the sixth Elder God "not of form, but something else".

I think it was supposed to be jokingly listed as impossible. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 18:42:15 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 18:43:13 by Uncle Harper

Hguoh

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Jakir said :
It is only natural that there would be a difference between the body of a mortal and a divine being. I mean look at all the funky stuff the left over energies of Gods do like Tears of Guthix and the Dark Lord and ect. It is pretty obvious that if you had a hunk of divine rock from the body of a God it would be different than some rock on the side of the road and should have magical properties of some kind.

Divine beings are said to become 'more' of what they were before ascending (ex: Zamorak having 5 jewels on his forehead when normal Mahjarrat have one or Armadyl having 6 wings when normal Aviansie have 2). As such, we would expect the black stone, if it were a part of Xau-Tak and Xau was a Ga'al, to exhibit every last property of TokHaar/TzHaar obsidian to a more heightened degree at the very least.

Yet the only characteristic between the two where this is even remotely related like this is the slayer helm effect on the obsidian helms (works on TzHaar tasks) and that of the black mask (works on any task, but only for melee damage).

Jakir said :
I'd rule those two options out right away because Death is a Guardian of Guthix and Guthix recognizes the importance of the Desert Pantheon (namely Icthlarin). That certainly means he is keeping an eye out for disturbances in the underworld and Xau is one massive disruption of the balance. Guthix or his followers and allies would have noticed Xau's actions and certainly raised a red flag about them. Given the way he is struggling to enter our world that must mean some force be it the edicts or a prison in the underworld is trying to keep him out.

Death never mentions anything like Xau-Tak. And the one time we can witness Xau's influence in the Underworld, literally nobody but us notices. Furthermore if Xau-Tak is the corruption from Renmark, attempting to remove it could have similarly disasterous consequences.

20-Mar-2018 19:16:14

Apr

2023

SixOfOne

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Drama Beach said :
One of mods jokingly said that his godhood tier is square root of -1.
This seems funny, but there is a mathematical number called

imaginary unit "i"

, which is defined as i^2 = -1, suggesting that his godhood tier is indeed 1 (Elder god) but the

i

would suggest that this is something different than known Elder Gods - this made me think he is the sixth Elder God "not of form, but something else".

It's a joke or a hint that Xau-tak isn't really a god. There is no official godhood tier that contains -1. The fact that i^2=-1 has no relevance to this at all, and certainly doesn't mean that -1=1 when it comes to godhood tiers. We have no evidence to suggest that Xau-tak is an Elder God and any suggestion otherwise is speculation. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

20-Mar-2018 19:17:29

Hguoh

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Ergo, it becomes the best choice to leave Xau be if Guthix did know it was there.

Also, what struggle to enter the world? Xau talked to us throughout that entire quest, and continued its machinations on Gielinor through the 5th age despite the Edicts.

20-Mar-2018 19:19:12

Danchu

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But Xau-Tak isn't on Gielinor is he? At least his body isn't. He's on the other side of that portal, with the other side being on another plane, the one mentioned in the recent horror lore perhaps?

Why would Xau-Tak be lingering on the other side of the portal if he could come through entirely?

I'm not 100% clued in on everything but are those kittens a violation of the edicts and it's hinted that they are simply in our mind because thats the joke Raven is going around on twitter with.

20-Mar-2018 19:45:59

Hguoh

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Danchu said :
But Xau-Tak isn't on Gielinor is he? At least his body isn't. He's on the other side of that portal, with the other side being on another plane, the one mentioned in the recent horror lore perhaps?

How do you know if it is on Gielinor or not? The only depictions we have of it's form are that of a great many grasping black stone hands the Horrors worshiped as Tezcasathla and that which was depicted in the murals of Ulthven Kreath (black stone hands reaching out of a portal).

Assuming that the black stone hands are actually a part of Xau-Tak and not just a tool it uses, then it physically entered Gielinor during the 5th age despite the Edicts.

Assuming the black stone hands are just something Xau-Tak uses to do its bidding, then how sure can you be that it isn't already on Gielinor and is only using the portal to draw in more black stone.

And do keep in mind that while Xau-Tak is often described as a concept or idea, even a name that worms its way into your mind without being told to you. Physical things, not so much.

20-Mar-2018 21:21:53

Oct

2005

Wahisietel

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Previous content seems to imply Xau-Tak's hands are/were present in places other than the weird rift portal thingy, and acting pretty much the same before, during and after the edicts being a thing. Judging by the nightmare in The Light Within, there's probably more in the nearby sunken mwanu/horror city.

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Clatterclatter click clatter clack click clatter clatter click... (You know, this place is too dry, but at least I don't have to worry about giant stone hands.)

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You struggle, but your limbs won't move. Is it because of the pressure of the water, or could it be the myriad black, stone hands that have emerged from the buildings and are gripping you? In either case, you jerk awake with a gasp. It was all a dream! A terrible, terrible dream

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When I asked him how Gustaf had lost his legs he simply replied 'they wouldn't let go'. When I asked what damaged the ship he claimed 'claws' and he would say no more.

Also no, Xau-Tak has already been confirmed to not be an elder god. And is very unlikely to be a TokHaar. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

20-Mar-2018 21:37:08 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 21:38:53 by Wahisietel

Aug

2020

Solmestix

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Wahisietel said :
Previous content seems to imply Xau-Tak's hands are/were present in places other than the weird rift portal thingy, and acting pretty much the same before, during and after the edicts being a thing. Judging by the nightmare in The Light Within, there's probably more in the nearby sunken mwanu/horror city.

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Clatterclatter click clatter clack click clatter clatter click... (You know, this place is too dry, but at least I don't have to worry about giant stone hands.)

Original message details are unavailable.
You struggle, but your limbs won't move. Is it because of the pressure of the water, or could it be the myriad black, stone hands that have emerged from the buildings and are gripping you? In either case, you jerk awake with a gasp. It was all a dream! A terrible, terrible dream

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When I asked him how Gustaf had lost his legs he simply replied 'they wouldn't let go'. When I asked what damaged the ship he claimed 'claws' and he would say no more.

Also no, Xau-Tak has already been confirmed to not be an elder god. And is very unlikely to be a TokHaar.

Where was it confirmed? May i ask?

20-Mar-2018 21:47:11

Jan

2018

Quael

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Jakir said :
Hguoh said :
Or Guthix just wasn't aware of Xau-Tak and therefore couldn't apply the Edicts to it (the edicts had to be applied to each god individually).

Or Guthix purposefully didn't apply the Edicts to Xau-Tak (like the minor Desert gods) after recognizing it as the corruption from Renmark

I'd rule those two options out right away because Death is a Guardian of Guthix and Guthix recognizes the importance of the Desert Pantheon (namely Icthlarin). That certainly means he is keeping an eye out for disturbances in the underworld and Xau is one massive disruption of the balance. Guthix or his followers and allies would have noticed Xau's actions and certainly raised a red flag about them. Given the way he is struggling to enter our world that must mean some force be it the edicts or a prison in the underworld is trying to keep him out.

Also while each God needed to be evicted I'm fairly certain the edicts shield functioned like our world guardian abilities and repelled all divine anima.

As I said before in our debate in the Edict of Guthix's situation Hguoh, The edict was a barrier to keep ALL gods from entering Gielinor. The gods needed to be removed, there is no "applying" a random god (like zaros) couldn't enter Gielinor because of the barrier. Even teh world wake implied that Zaros was effected by the barrier. Unless you are implying that Xau-tak wasn't kicked out, then yes it makes sense. But in this case, there was a portal at the temple. So either it was a portal for one of the deity worshipped by the horrors, or it was something else.

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20-Mar-2018 23:13:45

Jan

2018

Quael

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Solmestix said :
Wahisietel said :
Previous content seems to imply Xau-Tak's hands are/were present in places other than the weird rift portal thingy, and acting pretty much the same before, during and after the edicts being a thing. Judging by the nightmare in The Light Within, there's probably more in the nearby sunken mwanu/horror city.

Original message details are unavailable.
Clatterclatter click clatter clack click clatter clatter click... (You know, this place is too dry, but at least I don't have to worry about giant stone hands.)

Original message details are unavailable.
You struggle, but your limbs won't move. Is it because of the pressure of the water, or could it be the myriad black, stone hands that have emerged from the buildings and are gripping you? In either case, you jerk awake with a gasp. It was all a dream! A terrible, terrible dream

Original message details are unavailable.
When I asked him how Gustaf had lost his legs he simply replied 'they wouldn't let go'. When I asked what damaged the ship he claimed 'claws' and he would say no more.

Also no, Xau-Tak has already been confirmed to not be an elder god. And is very unlikely to be a TokHaar.

Where was it confirmed? May i ask? I need to ask also, as focus as I am in the lore as well, where was it confirmed? if it is by a jmod, 100% trusting them is....... well dangerous.

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20-Mar-2018 23:17:05

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