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Jakir

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The Mather1 said :
Jakir said :

What do you think Obsidian is? Spoilers: It's black stone.
Glass, not stone.

It's black and stone, this is black stone. It isn't perfectly transparent so if you have thick enough obsidian it wouldn't let any light through. And if all that changed when Xau asceneded was he became more opaque that would be a fairly minor transformation. Saradomin went from a regular human to a mega giant smurf after all.

Alexraptor said :
lol Xau is definitely NOT TokHaar, that's just silly.

The TokHaar are products of an elder artifact, the Elder Kiln, and made from hot lava and volcanic glass. Xau-Tak however is a "cold" entity and heavily associated with water and so much more than just the product of a mere "tool".

And Obsidian is as mentioned Volcanic glass, and has zero of the properties of the black stone material associated with Xau-Tak.

The laughter, caps, and calling my theory silly are not necessary and rude. If you want to have me bother to respond to any further of your messages please use basic manners.

Xau being cold would make sense if he was a deceased TokHaar or Ga'al that ascended, which tracks with him being made of black stone and in the underworld. Also once again literally the only difference between obsidian and this black stone is how much light gets through so other than one variable being slightly different it has ALL the properties of obsidian.

20-Mar-2018 02:59:35 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 03:09:13 by Jakir

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Hguoh said :
Do keep in mind that the Dragonkin came first and interacted with the elders. As such, it is a perfectly reasonable assumption that the Elders could have taken some of the Dragonkin language and imbued the TokHaar with it (that way their agents could communicate and be ordered by a common language). It is also a perfectly reasonable assumption that the TokHaar could have incorporated aspects of the Dragonkin's language into their own (much like how they incorporate other forms) or vice versa during their period as the only forms of sapient active life.

Thing is though, everything points to the kin and not Xau-Tak making those murals, so it isn't its language.

Furthermore, Xau-Tak lacks the characteristic lines of lava that cross a TokHaar's body, and it's black stone possesses notably different properties than we've observed from TokHaar or TzHaar remains.

We also know what happens to TokHaar and TzHaar that die outside of the Kiln, they become statues that are often shattered into pieces for obsidian shards or tokkul that retain their memories and consciousness (in a tortured, compressed state) until reunited with the Kiln. So if Xau was a dead TokHaar, it wouldn't be in any underworld.

We are also assuming that the black stone hand is a part of Xau's body and not

As you said, when TokHaar die they become... black stone. Which is exactly what Xau appears to be. As to how he ascended after dying and becoming a statue I'm not sure. Perhaps he was a Ga'al? That would be interesting after all if a Dragonkin (or some equally strong being) fell into the lava of the elder kiln (which may have been shown in the murals) and was reincarnated as a ga'al with enough power to ascend.

And the leader of a tribe based on combat being named kal would make him the most victorious being in that culture so the word still maintains its meaning.

20-Mar-2018 03:07:23 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 03:07:44 by Jakir

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Jakir said :
As you said, when TokHaar die they become... black stone. Which is exactly what Xau appears to be. As to how he ascended after dying and becoming a statue I'm not sure. Perhaps he was a Ga'al? That would be interesting after all if a Dragonkin (or some equally strong being) fell into the lava of the elder kiln (which may have been shown in the murals) and was reincarnated as a ga'al with enough power to ascend.

And the leader of a tribe based on combat being named kal would make him the most victorious being in that culture so the word still maintains its meaning.

When TokHaar die, they become Obsidian (volcanic glass) which, again, demonstrates none of the properties of Xau-Tak's stone and in fact several properties that Xau-Tak's stone apparently lacks.

Ga'al are a result of TzHaar reproducing in the absence of the heat of the sacred lava of the Elder Kiln. TzHaar are the result of TokHaar living independently of and reproducing without returning to the Elder Kiln over a very long period of time (leading to their ancestral memory degrading).

So in order for Xau-Tak to be a Ga'al, you need a TokHaar that was left behind and then tried to reproduce in the Kiln's absence. And all that needs to be done by a Ga'al that is born without any memories to a TokHaar parent that likely has no concern whatsoever for its wellbeing (look at how the TzHaar reacted to the Ga'al's disconnection from their shared memory and how much the TokHaar sought to return the TzHaar to the unity that is the Kiln). Then said Ga'al would need some mechanism to ascend or gain enough power to imitate those that have.

Finally, we are given no context as to Kal'ger's name or how he came to lead the Kal'gerions. We are led to believe that they are the Infernals that originally populated Infernus and who were deposed by the Chthonians. So not exactly the most 'victorious' lot.

20-Mar-2018 03:34:17 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 03:39:49 by Hguoh

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Hguoh said :
When TokHaar die, they become Obsidian (volcanic glass) which, again, demonstrates none of the properties of Xau-Tak's stone and in fact several properties that Xau-Tak's stone apparently lacks.

Ga'al are a result of TzHaar reproducing in the absence of the heat of the sacred lava of the Elder Kiln. TzHaar are the result of TokHaar living independently of and reproducing without returning to the Elder Kiln over a very long period of time (leading to their ancestral memory degrading).

So in order for Xau-Tak to be a Ga'al, you need a TokHaar that was left behind and then tried to reproduce in the Kiln's absence. And all that needs to be done by a Ga'al that is born without any memories to a TokHaar parent that likely has no concern whatsoever for its wellbeing (look at how the TzHaar reacted to the Ga'al's disconnection from their shared memory and how much the TokHaar sought to return the TzHaar to the unity that is the Kiln). Then said Ga'al would need some mechanism to ascend or gain enough power to imitate those that have.

Finally, we are given no context as to Kal'ger's name or how he came to lead the Kal'gerions. We are led to believe that they are the Infernals that originally populated Infernus and who were deposed by the Chthonians. So not exactly the most 'victorious' lot.

Again, it demonstrates every property of Obsidian except transparency, and I don't see any Ga'al or TokHaar or Tokkul or obsidian weapons for that matter that are transparent so it is a perfect match.

Yes, that is how Ga'al work.

I'm sure Kal'ger was named prior to being deposed. And he is still the strongest and the leader of his people. Clearly a name meaning Victorious fits him. Especially given that he is /the/ Warmonger.

20-Mar-2018 04:06:56

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The kittens were done to link the "Here's kittens to hide the violence!" moments in the older quest to the new one. That's why during the one with Mi'gor, Xau-Tak starts talking with you through the Rabid Jack Cat. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
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20-Mar-2018 04:36:46

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Jakir said :
Uncle Harper said :
Xau could be an elder and therefore unaffected by the edicts. Also, I dont think the kittens are cosmic guardians im pretty sure their avatars of Xau-Tak. Or at least how we perceive Xau since we cant comprehend him. Getting close to the portal at the end causes all kinds of strange things to happen to our mind.

Xau definitely isn't an elder or else he could just shatter the edicts/ignore them. Also the cats are guardians of the Underworld. If they were Xau they would be more malicious.

Solmestix said :
The TokHaar are made from Obsidian, and created by Ful by making use of the Elder Kiln. They are not made of black stone, and have nothing to do with Xau-Tak.

On the other hand, the cosmic cats seemingly do have a connection, and this means that Xau-Tak has been with us the entire pirate series, as in some quests we see cutscenes that are meant to 'censor' some parts of the quest, and instead play a scene of kittens playing, meaning Xau-Tak was there too, if he had the link to the cats in the pirate series.

But the TokHaar are completely unrelated.

What do you think Obsidian is? Spoilers: It's black stone.


Obsidian is glass.

Volcanic. Glass.

Do research before attempting to correct me maybe?
And as far as we know, using obsidian on dead things doesn't raise em back up, unlike the Black Stone of Mos Le' Harmless, therefore it can be settled that Xau-Tak is NOT using obsidian.

20-Mar-2018 07:44:48 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 07:46:09 by Solmestix

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The stone hand I doubt is Xau-tak, but one of the 3 deity from the new lore of the horrors. If Xau-tak was an elder god, it doesn't need to shatter the edict and ignore it. But it would make sense, that if the stone does belong to the god, it bypassed the edict that prefect the gods from entering via any means. We yet to know what Xau-Tak wants, so assuming they would shatter the edict is just assumption.

Also those kitten we interacted with aren't any form of guardians but something only WE witnessed that, once we interacted, would tell us things such as "Do you think you can save them?" Hey look, it's fucking Xau-tak. And yes we were the only one that saw that, Madam Shih said there were no kittens.

Also on the Obsidian matter, it is glass, so this theory isn't really possible unless we are to assume it's glass then.

But over all, I doubt those hands are Xau-Tak's and maybe one of the three deities from the horror's lore.
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20-Mar-2018 10:06:54

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Jakir said :
Again, it demonstrates every property of Obsidian except transparency, and I don't see any Ga'al or TokHaar or Tokkul or obsidian weapons for that matter that are transparent so it is a perfect match.

TokHaar obsidian also possesses several other properties including:

Physically containing their consciousness.
Can be melted together to form bars that themselves are ductile enough to forge into armor.
Retains some resistance to extreme heat and lava creatures (as per the armor's damage reduction).

Xau-Tak's stone, on the other hand shows no indication of containing its consciousness and is most definitely not ductile enough to be hammered into armor (instead needing to be carved to make anything). It also shows none of the TokHaar Obsidian's resistances.

On the other hand, Xau-Tak's stone demonstrates qualities that TokHaar obsidian does not such as:

Raising and sustaining undead.
A limited draining effect on living beings (black mask).

Similarities of the two are visual and superficial, while many other properties do not match.

Jakir said :
Yes, that is how Ga'al work.

And I'm just pointing out that it is a tough sell that such a Ga'al would survive (the TzHaar systematically exterminated theirs). Even TokHaar Hok was only interested in the Ga'al only as far as being a method to convince the TzHaar to return or to melt it down to join the unity of the Kiln.

And for as capable the Ga'al are of learning, they know nothing initially (not even having the concept of jumping or basic combat). I find it very unlikely that a TokHaar would take the time to teach a Ga'al.

20-Mar-2018 12:23:32 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 12:58:30 by Hguoh

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Well as others have said obsidian isn't classed as stone but glass. So the black stone is more likely something else.

As for Xau Tak being Tzhaar well considering he's connected to the ocean and the undead. Which are things that the Tzhaar aren't connected to. Even when you trace them back to their origins the TokHaar they were created to build upon the land mass and move mountains. Which separates them from Xau Tak even further.

As for the Black Hand. Well I believe it was Xau Tak in a sense. But it wasn't his physical form. We've seen gods interact with the world through the edicts at a limited capacity. Most notably Bandos during "The Chosen Commander" where he deployed his mace in attempt to force the Cave Goblins into submission. The statement below is false.
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20-Mar-2018 12:39:50

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