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Hguoh

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Jakir said :
People name their children plenty of things to mean victorious, or bringer of victory. If you can't see why that would be super common in strength oriented demon culture I can not help you and this will continue on forever so I won't be responding to any more speculation about why demons wouldn't want names meaning victory as it is obvious they would.

Kril'Tsutsaroth has a name (Tsutsaroth) that declares him the strongest of the Tsutsaroth. It is a title we are told he earned and that another had earned the title while he was presumed dead (frozen in the Temple of Lost Ancients).

We know that demons have can have names to indicate strength and victory. That being said, literally none of the other Kal'Gerion demons we known of have the word 'Kal' in their name, and we have no indication that any other parts in their names mean or allude to victory. So much for it being common practice.

And we also still have no confirmation that 'kal' means victory in demon.

20-Mar-2018 14:23:39 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 16:36:58 by Hguoh

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Quael

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Jakir said :
Quael said :
Jakir said :
Quael said :

If you recall reading, they(minus Xau-tak) each had different appearance stated in the first journal. The last journal that we find state that 3 horrors who went into the sea returned as the three deities. So they are real, puppets of Xau-Tak for sure. The question would be; are they just eternal and the horrors were sacrifice, or are there just several more of these deity and the horrors are turned each time all three die.

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20-Mar-2018 14:58:07

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2017

Drama Beach

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I highly appreciate the speculations about who XT is, or who is not, but my first thoughts were quite different

Some of you pointed that he cannot be the Elder God, as he would bypass the Edcits etc., but we know from

The Light Within

that:
"Six of them, five of form and one of ... something else." - said by

Zaros

.

What is he is the "something else" part? Kind of an elder god which was forgotten last time the multiverse was reset or literally anything else?

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20-Mar-2018 15:31:46

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Uncle Harper

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Drama Beach said :
I highly appreciate the speculations about who XT is, or who is not, but my first thoughts were quite different

Some of you pointed that he cannot be the Elder God, as he would bypass the Edcits etc., but we know from

The Light Within

that:
"Six of them, five of form and one of ... something else." - said by

Zaros

.

What is he is the "something else" part? Kind of an elder god which was forgotten last time the multiverse was reset or literally anything else?

Well he has ignored the edicts. Remember, pieces of Hate is a fifth age quest. Meaning before the edicts fell. And yet there he is swiping at us with malicious intent. He hates us for future events through out time. No other god is able to ignore the edicts not even Seren. So either the edicts dont apply to Xau, or hes powerful enough to bypass them. No he didnt use this to his advantage and attack the planet because thats not his goal. Neither was obtaining the SOJ. His motives are still a mystery but we can say he harbors a grudge against the world guardian for trying to save "them." I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 16:36:29

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
Drama Beach said :
I highly appreciate the speculations about who XT is, or who is not, but my first thoughts were quite different

Some of you pointed that he cannot be the Elder God, as he would bypass the Edcits etc., but we know from

The Light Within

that:
"Six of them, five of form and one of ... something else." - said by

Zaros

.

What is he is the "something else" part? Kind of an elder god which was forgotten last time the multiverse was reset or literally anything else?

Well he has ignored the edicts. Remember, pieces of Hate is a fifth age quest. Meaning before the edicts fell. And yet there he is swiping at us with malicious intent. He hates us for future events through out time. No other god is able to ignore the edicts not even Seren. So either the edicts dont apply to Xau, or hes powerful enough to bypass them. No he didnt use this to his advantage and attack the planet because thats not his goal. Neither was obtaining the SOJ. His motives are still a mystery but we can say he harbors a grudge against the world guardian for trying to save "them."

Or the black hand that attacked us wasn't actually a part of Xau-Tak and was just obeying him (like Azzanadra taking orders from Zaros via the communion portal).

Or Xau-Tak isn't a god and the Edicts wouldn't affect it (why the edicts didn't affect the pestilence king).

Or Guthix just wasn't aware of Xau-Tak and therefore couldn't apply the Edicts to it (the edicts had to be applied to each god individually).

Or the black hand was an avatar of Xau-Tak's that was seen as a different god by the Edicts (how Bandos snuck his avatar onto Gielinor).

Or Guthix purposefully didn't apply the Edicts to Xau-Tak (like the minor Desert gods) after recognizing it as the corruption from Renmark and the disaster that happened the last time he tried to remove it.

20-Mar-2018 16:49:19

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2015

Uncle Harper

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Right Hguoh. Thats why i included the part about the edict either dont apply to him for the various reasons you listed or he can ignore them due to power scale. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 17:28:45

Jakir

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Hguoh said :
And you base that conclusion on, what exactly? It also doesn't address the several other differences between them.

And the lost Ga'al learned from TzHaar-Mej and Jalyt-Mej first and built upon that learned understanding to create its invisibility spell. They need to be taught or learn through observation first before they can build on that to reach something entirely new, and nothing about the TzHaar or TokHaar suggest that they'd be willing to do that for a Ga'al or even leave it alive so it could maybe bumble its way to surviving long enough to learn things on its own.

For Guthix's sake, we had to teach one the idea of jumping! They aren't equipped to even survive without learning some basics first. The idea of one surviving without support or somebody to learn from (of which there'd only be the TokHaar that spawned it and likely wants nothing to do with it since sapient life arose long after the TokHaar would have been left behind) is utterly laughable.

It is only natural that there would be a difference between the body of a mortal and a divine being. I mean look at all the funky stuff the left over energies of Gods do like Tears of Guthix and the Dark Lord and ect. It is pretty obvious that if you had a hunk of divine rock from the body of a God it would be different than some rock on the side of the road and should have magical properties of some kind.

I never said that the if Xau was a Ga'al he learned anything from the TokHaar. Even they had to encounter a Ga'al for the first time at some point so this could have been before they had decided to abandon them and tried to educate it. Or it could have learned from the hundreds/thousands of other species in the universe. The point remains that Ga'al have far more potential or ability to adapt than the TokHaar. Nothing you have said changes this.

20-Mar-2018 17:46:44

Jakir

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Hguoh said :
Or Guthix just wasn't aware of Xau-Tak and therefore couldn't apply the Edicts to it (the edicts had to be applied to each god individually).

Or Guthix purposefully didn't apply the Edicts to Xau-Tak (like the minor Desert gods) after recognizing it as the corruption from Renmark

I'd rule those two options out right away because Death is a Guardian of Guthix and Guthix recognizes the importance of the Desert Pantheon (namely Icthlarin). That certainly means he is keeping an eye out for disturbances in the underworld and Xau is one massive disruption of the balance. Guthix or his followers and allies would have noticed Xau's actions and certainly raised a red flag about them. Given the way he is struggling to enter our world that must mean some force be it the edicts or a prison in the underworld is trying to keep him out.

Also while each God needed to be evicted I'm fairly certain the edicts shield functioned like our world guardian abilities and repelled all divine anima.

20-Mar-2018 17:55:28 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 17:55:42 by Jakir

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Solmestix

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It's also possible that Xau-tak is just NOT a normal god, whether that means that he is an Elder or something else, as no other god as of yet has managed to make people insane, although pieces of hate is a 5th age quest, so maybe in the 6th age he can't make us insane.

Or his tier could be like Tier 1.556979321 or something similar so that he is less powerful than an Elder, but more so than Guthix.

Of course this would mean that Guthix was not powerful enough to banish him, but realised that the Dragonkin had an adequately well protected fortress around Xau-tak's main entry point into gielinor.

20-Mar-2018 18:14:32 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 18:22:14 by Solmestix

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2017

Drama Beach

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One of mods jokingly said that his godhood tier is square root of -1.
This seems funny, but there is a mathematical number called

imaginary unit "i"

, which is defined as i^2 = -1, suggesting that his godhood tier is indeed 1 (Elder god) but the

i

would suggest that this is something different than known Elder Gods - this made me think he is the sixth Elder God "not of form, but something else".

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20-Mar-2018 18:34:21 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 18:35:25 by Drama Beach

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