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Jul

2013

Derack

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Raxxess said :
Derack said :
I agree.

But, then again we are forced in many 5age quests to help out Saradominist's, because, EVIL Zamorakian's were doing something bad.

Not to mention we had no choice but to join the White Knights for no good dang reason, yet, we are still part of them even with the 6age rolling around (I'm Zamorakian why am i still a puny white/temple knight of Saradomin?).

I'm seeing a pattern here but the thing is like the 5th age Saradomin follower like stuff doesn't have as much comparison here.

If we didn't join the temple knights we would have no knowledge of anything that was going on with the mahjarrat and never would have been introduced and I don't think killing worms or sea slugs is the same here.

But even for DoC you can at least justify pretty easily why its better to help Saradomin and unlike DaT, FotG, and CoM, you are able to try and stop Saradomin at every turn and there are tons of options to explain your dislike of him can't really do that in the other quests and to me that is a problem. That is all correct. But still, you get my point.
In the end, i think Jagex is just lazy with quests dialogues and stuff, some have many options with talk, and others don't.

But i believe the End Game will make it all worth it.

Edit: come to think of it, we can't tell Lord Daquarius about the events of Doc, or about letter we digged up in Falador park. Whats up with that Jagex?

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

25-Nov-2016 16:54:01 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 16:59:02 by Derack

Jun

2010

Half Centaur

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Raxxess said :

We were the cause of those events though, I can point to endless generic quest dialogue from each quest stating how pivotal we were to this happening, and the points I'm bringing up were the major criticisms of the quests when they were released.

The flaw in your point is that we really didn't even have to go Freneskae in the first place, also we are the world Guardian so we are protected from god energy Seren couldn't just blow us up on the spot.

My major point here is that quests should be a bit more open here for people that like playing factions. Every quest should be like DoC where you can actively state your dislike of the NPC and sabotage them at every turn if it still happens despite your best efforts then that makes it all the more fun.

We shouldn't keep the whole Children of Mah group special snowflake status.

We weren't the cause though. If we weren't there, it would have just taken longer for Kharshai to convince the group. Presumably, regardless of allegiance, we cared about Kharshai- so that's why we bothered to go along. And then there's still the possibility of sabotage.

Seren wouldn't kill us. The planet was about to be destroyed.... with us on it. Also, Seren could definitely kill us if she wanted to. Any of them could. It'd just be much harder.

There's very good narrative reasons we don't get that much choice. First, there's the fact that we aren't that important in the storyline sometimes. Its nice for us to be there, but a lot of times our presence isn't necessary. Then there's the meta-fact that it'd be ridiculously hard to contain that many divergent narratives.

Can anyone tell me btw what was different if you wounded Zaros? Is he healed now whats the scoop? "We call it being a hero"

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25-Nov-2016 17:12:47

Raxxess

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Hazeel said :
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There was plenty of reason to stop them if you start wars people fight back.. I'm not fully sure how I'm supposed to describe it is just the natural order of things so the 5th age is pretty justified.

DaT and CoM were just their lap dogs pretty much. Like with DaT I get to help Sliske and pew pew at Zamorak but the joke is still on the player for blatantly getting the stone for him.

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25-Nov-2016 17:17:09

Raxxess

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Half Centaur said :
We weren't the cause though. If we weren't there, it would have just taken longer for Kharshai to convince the group. Presumably, regardless of allegiance, we cared about Kharshai- so that's why we bothered to go along. And then there's still the possibility of sabotage.

Seren wouldn't kill us. The planet was about to be destroyed.... with us on it. Also, Seren could definitely kill us if she wanted to. Any of them could. It'd just be much harder.

There's very good narrative reasons we don't get that much choice. First, there's the fact that we aren't that important in the storyline sometimes. Its nice for us to be there, but a lot of times our presence isn't necessary. Then there's the meta-fact that it'd be ridiculously hard to contain that many divergent narratives.

Can anyone tell me btw what was different if you wounded Zaros? Is he healed now whats the scoop?

Or they would have just sacrificed Kharsai and have been done with it? I can make up stuff that would have happened too lol

I'm not saying there can't be things that we can't change from happening I actually like quests like that. But I don't like them so blatantly sided in one direction. I don't see why that is such an issue? From the post itself it seems like a majority of the respected lore hounds agree on this.

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25-Nov-2016 17:20:36

Jul

2013

Derack

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Half Centaur said :

Can anyone tell me btw what was different if you wounded Zaros? Is he healed now whats the scoop?

In actions i dunno, but from dialogue.
From the unfinished Com transcript on Rs wiki.

Zaros:
I know what is happening to you all. I know why you are gathered here.

Zaros:
(If you helped him.) Ah, Player, I must thank you again for your assistance. Perhaps your presence here can help clearer heads prevail. (Continues below.)
Zaros:
(If you sabotaged him.) Ah, we have the world guardian in our presence. I hope you will also reconsider your allegiance to me. (Continues below.)

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

25-Nov-2016 17:22:09 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 17:23:15 by Derack

Raxxess

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Derack said :
Half Centaur said :

Can anyone tell me btw what was different if you wounded Zaros? Is he healed now whats the scoop?

In actions i dunno, but from dialogue.
From the unfinished Com transcript on Rs wiki.

Zaros:
I know what is happening to you all. I know why you are gathered here.

Zaros:
(If you helped him.) Ah, Player, I must thank you again for your assistance. Perhaps your presence here can help clearer heads prevail. (Continues below.)
Zaros:
(If you sabotaged him.) Ah, we have the world guardian in our presence. I hope you will also reconsider your allegiance to me. (Continues below.)

In truth with every time we have seen Zaros, giving him the light simulacrum hasn't really made much difference than any other than Zaros saying you don't side with him.

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25-Nov-2016 17:36:19

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Hazeel said :
helped the corrupt wizard's tower instead of exposing it so there could be progress in the magical community
Did we even have the option to expose the truth about the first tower? I think not! NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

25-Nov-2016 20:31:20

Raxxess

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Hazeel said :
helped the corrupt wizard's tower instead of exposing it so there could be progress in the magical community
Did we even have the option to expose the truth about the first tower? I think not!

Who didn't already know about it at this point though? Sedridor knew what happened so did Ariane. You'd go to the Zamorakians? They'd say they already knew that.

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26-Nov-2016 02:44:09

Ancient Drew

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It depends on your stance as a Saradominist, I think. If you want to ensure a level of peace and order and believe that Zaros wouldn't attack Saradomin (he claims in FOTG that they agreed to disagree, insinuating that they stayed out of each other's way), then you might want to help Zaros.

But if you see Zaros as the bigger threat and think back to how Saradomin and Zamorak teamed up to wipe memory of his empire, you might side with Zamorak in this instance as you might see Zamorak as the lesser of two evils, or the devil you know.

I'm not sure if it's possible to stay neutral in Children of Mah or help Seren (she's no enemy of Saradomin, I'm certain of it), but that might be an option. It depends on your perspective. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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26-Nov-2016 10:35:45

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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Raxxess said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Hazeel said :
helped the corrupt wizard's tower instead of exposing it so there could be progress in the magical community
Did we even have the option to expose the truth about the first tower? I think not!

Who didn't already know about it at this point though? Sedridor knew what happened so did Ariane. You'd go to the Zamorakians? They'd say they already knew that.
The world. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

26-Nov-2016 11:27:27

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