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25-Nov-2016 15:34:20 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 15:35:58 by Tuffty

Jul

2013

Derack

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I agree.

But, then again we are forced in many 5age quests to help out Saradominist's, because, EVIL Zamorakian's were doing something bad.

Not to mention we had no choice but to join the White Knights for no good dang reason, yet, we are still part of them even with the 6age rolling around (I'm Zamorakian why am i still a puny white/temple knight of Saradomin?).

In Doc regardless of choice Sara treads me like a ally, even after i told him i joined Zamorak in Bol because i stand against him, and i "defied" him for not giving the wand.

Regardless of what i want, what everyone wants, quests always end up with the World guardian doing something to aid/help, said god/faction with their problem. Sometimes, we have a choice to stand against them, and sometimes we don't.

I wished there was a option in Com to protect Zamorak from Zaros attack by standing between the beam, it would have been so.. touching.

Reason why also believe God emissaries are mostly dull...

And here is something that Azzy says.

Azzanadra:
It was a truly joyous occasion. I suspected Sliske would attempt to coerce you – that was unavoidable – but my faith in you was well placed. I hope you do not regret your actions.

Player: I regret it.

Azzanadra:
I suppose I can understand your reservations. Zaros is an unknown quantity to you. I can only imagine that he managed to impress upon you the gravity of our situation. I trust, at least, that you see the need for his return, even if you cannot be happy about it. Being World Guardian requires you to make difficult decisions that affect us all. You do not have the luxury of personal bias.

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

25-Nov-2016 15:38:49 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 15:40:33 by Derack

Raxxess

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Hazeel said :
Boo hoo. I was forced to help Saradomin on over a hundred occassions in the fifth age.

Saradomin was actually in game during the 5th age.

I know you probably didn't want to expand anymore than that, but I'll respond just so others can see my view on this.

They don't measure up at all, helping out a monk or priest here or there with their minor problems that help society at large are really no comparison to helping Zamorak get the stone of jas, seriously what does that actually do for anyone that isn't Zamorakian?

The same goes for CoM, FotG, and even God Wars two.

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25-Nov-2016 16:15:57

Raxxess

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Zulkir said :
We're the World Guardian, not the biased "I pick and choose who I'll help-Guardian"

Wait till Endgame if you want to make your side count, not complain that you had to help a Race escape extinction because of petty religious tensions. The Mahjarrat are a great bunch if you actually talked to them.

I enjoy seeing your enthusiasm but really they get kind of dull after they are thrown in your face multiple times. I probably really would enjoy their stories more if I didn't see them all the time or they at least tried to make all these quests more enjoyable for people who may not like the mahjarrat, seeing as they are now the only quest Jagex produces

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25-Nov-2016 16:19:32

Zulkir

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Raxxess said :
Hazeel said :
Boo hoo. I was forced to help Saradomin on over a hundred occassions in the fifth age.

Saradomin was actually in game during the 5th age.

I know you probably didn't want to expand anymore than that, but I'll respond just so others can see my view on this.

They don't measure up at all, helping out a monk or priest here or there with their minor problems that help society at large are really no comparison to helping Zamorak get the stone of jas, seriously what does that actually do for anyone that isn't Zamorakian?

The same goes for CoM, FotG, and even God Wars two.

You're forgetting in Fotg and DaT you could actively sabotage those events. You couldn't stop them from happening because they had to happen for the wider narrative to move forward.

But sometimes The Player shouldn't have input, Children of Mah was one of those times, it dealt with, as we know the Children of Mah and their struggles to fend off extinction, we piped in a very minimalist way because it had nothing to do with us in the grand scheme of things, we were just lucky to be brought along for the ride.

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25-Nov-2016 16:21:39

Raxxess

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Derack said :
I agree.

But, then again we are forced in many 5age quests to help out Saradominist's, because, EVIL Zamorakian's were doing something bad.

Not to mention we had no choice but to join the White Knights for no good dang reason, yet, we are still part of them even with the 6age rolling around (I'm Zamorakian why am i still a puny white/temple knight of Saradomin?).

I'm seeing a pattern here but the thing is like the 5th age Saradomin follower like stuff doesn't have as much comparison here.

If we didn't join the temple knights we would have no knowledge of anything that was going on with the mahjarrat and never would have been introduced and I don't think killing worms or sea slugs is the same here.

But even for DoC you can at least justify pretty easily why its better to help Saradomin and unlike DaT, FotG, and CoM, you are able to try and stop Saradomin at every turn and there are tons of options to explain your dislike of him can't really do that in the other quests and to me that is a problem.

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25-Nov-2016 16:27:08

Jun

2010

Half Centaur

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Zulkir said :

But sometimes The Player shouldn't have input, Children of Mah was one of those times, it dealt with, as we know the Children of Mah and their struggles to fend off extinction, we piped in a very minimalist way because it had nothing to do with us in the grand scheme of things, we were just lucky to be brought along for the ride.

This is really the thing. It doesn't make sense for a human, even the world guardian, to be able to stop certain events- Zaros's return, Zamorak's heist, and Mah's sacrifice all probably would have happened without us, just not as easily.

If you opposed those people, you'd go along for the chance to wreck things- and then find you couldn't.

With CoM, there's really nothing the player could do to sabotage the ritual that wouldn't lead to the player character's canonical death.

Seren: "We need you to soothe Mah so she doesn't destroy Freneskae"
Us: "How about no...?"
Seren: ".... you realize you're the weakest thing on this planet right. You're literally going to be the first one to go when the earthquakes start and I won't save you this time." "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

25-Nov-2016 16:28:59

Raxxess

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Zulkir said :

You're forgetting in Fotg and DaT you could actively sabotage those events. You couldn't stop them from happening because they had to happen for the wider narrative to move forward.

But sometimes The Player shouldn't have input, Children of Mah was one of those times, it dealt with, as we know the Children of Mah and their struggles to fend off extinction, we piped in a very minimalist way because it had nothing to do with us in the grand scheme of things, we were just lucky to be brought along for the ride.

Why though? Even as a world guardian that still makes no sense why we helped them the events in CoM wouldn't have happened without us there either.

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25-Nov-2016 16:31:58

Raxxess

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Half Centaur said :
This is really the thing. It doesn't make sense for a human, even the world guardian, to be able to stop certain events- Zaros's return, Zamorak's heist, and Mah's sacrifice all probably would have happened without us, just not as easily.

If you opposed those people, you'd go along for the chance to wreck things- and then find you couldn't.

With CoM, there's really nothing the player could do to sabotage the ritual that wouldn't lead to the player character's canonical death.

Seren: "We need you to soothe Mah so she doesn't destroy Freneskae"
Us: "How about no...?"
Seren: ".... you realize you're the weakest thing on this planet right. You're literally going to be the first one to go when the earthquakes start and I won't save you this time."

We were the cause of those events though, I can point to endless generic quest dialogue from each quest stating how pivotal we were to this happening, and the points I'm bringing up were the major criticisms of the quests when they were released.

The flaw in your point is that we really didn't even have to go Freneskae in the first place, also we are the world Guardian so we are protected from god energy Seren couldn't just blow us up on the spot.

My major point here is that quests should be a bit more open here for people that like playing factions. Every quest should be like DoC where you can actively state your dislike of the NPC and sabotage them at every turn if it still happens despite your best efforts then that makes it all the more fun.

We shouldn't keep the whole Children of Mah group special snowflake status.

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25-Nov-2016 16:37:19

Hazeel

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In DaT, you get to choose what you view as the lesser of two evils and even attack your most hated enemy. You can easily view it as thwarting Zamorak/Sliske, depending on your choice.

In the fifth age, we stopped Zemourgal, even though there was no reason to, stopped Enakhra even though there was no reason to, fought Khazard--for no reason, aided the corrupt white knights time and time again when we should have focused on liberating Falador from them, helped the corrupt wizard's tower instead of exposing it so there could be progress in the magical community, stopped the liberation of Varrock with Surok, aided Dionysius multiple times instead of having him arrest, etc., etc. Not even counting the sixth age where we helped Saradomin get the wand, even though Saradomin was the one who actually planned to abuse it horribly.

Seriously, though, can you guys blame Zemourgal for hating you so much? You took all this time out of your day to ensure he couldn't remove a pathetic king from power. And now we all have to deal with boring old Varrock withs its rat infested streets, gang infestation, poverty, and dreary atmosphere. We could have had a fun New Varrock with zombies, magic, no gangs, a cult of cats and all this fun stuff but noooooo.....thanks a lot. I think I'd hate you too if it happened to me.

Also....did we do anything in CoM? We barely talked. I guess we saved Kharshai a 30 second trip to the throne room. Zaros stopped Zemourgal from making the sacrifice, not us. We didn't intervene in Zaros and Zamorak's battle for some damn reason. We didn't interject on the deal. I guess we stopped Mah...maybe? I dunno, Seren makes it out like we stopped her from destroying everyone, but the ritual finished the moment we were done anyway, so she would have been too weak to attack anything. Yeeeeaaahhh...sorta felt like I was just "enjoying the ride" on that one. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

25-Nov-2016 16:53:43 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2016 16:56:45 by Hazeel

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