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Ancient Drew

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There's being a follower of his philosophy and there's being a notice-me-senpai. I continue to abide by his philosophy that we should use everything that happens in life to become better people, never give up, and strive to improve all the time. And I have my own plans for the power I will achieve, though none of them are against anyone.

The entire Sixth Age comes to show that nobody is perfect. Look at Saradomin; he used to be this paragon of good and the Gary Stu type who could do no wrong, but then Guthix's memories and DoC happened. It's of no small surprise that the same thing would happen to Zaros. But I still stand by his philosophy. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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17-Apr-2017 09:01:47 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2017 09:02:24 by Ancient Drew

Raleirosen

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Ancient Drew said :
I continue to abide by his philosophy that we should use everything that happens in life to become better people, never give up, and strive to improve all the time. Like the religion of the empire, this "philosophy" is just a smokescreen used to mask a far more ruthless and primal personal ambition. Even if Zaros really does believe in all that, it almost certainly applies overwhelmingly to himself.
Maiden China said :
More like a guy who could be cool but has terrible fashion sense I think he looks pretty cool. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Apr-2017 16:41:50 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2017 16:46:33 by Raleirosen

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Zack3 said :
Does that include the stupid mouthpiece he uses to talk? Nah, that's a point off. Probably would've been more effective if he didn't physically speak, but projected his voice magically or something. But overall it's a neat look. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Apr-2017 17:30:59

Ancient Drew

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We all have our ambitions. Even in Fate of the Gods, Zaros never denied or tried to cover up having an ambition to become an Elder God, stating it himself. If anything, the rose-tinted view many Zarosians have of him is the smokescreen itself. And it comes to show that he continues to stand by his convictions, and will keep trying to achieve it. If he really was this evil being who would have destroyed everything, he wouldn't care for war either. He would have let us take the stone and destroy the universe in the war that Sliske was trying to create, walk over and crush the remnants that are still alive after the conflict (which he is clearly trying to prevent), and take the stone for himself anyway.

"I will find these Elder gods and I will claim my birthright. I will become as they and then I will make this universe...perfect."
- Zaros, The Light Within.

What does he consider to be perfection? If we look at the Empire, it led to tons of advancements in industry, medicine, technology and magical discovery. They were each very efficient in their trades and fields, and for the most part did what they liked; the tyranny came from corruption in the church. Zaros was busy making the Nihil on Freneskae.

This pursuit of creating a perfect universe, if anything, makes him out to be a darker version of Saradomin, which is somewhat appealing to me, like it or not. And as for him being a sociopath, wouldn't this be a natural response to having a sister who gives off an aura of addictive love, and later come to resent Mah for creating her in order to, in his view, chain him up? After that, it's hardly surprising that he would keep his distance and try not to forge close relationships. But I hope that he will see this as his weakness, let us remove his loyalty aura as well as Seren's love aura, then let them reconcile. This is shown after The Light Within, and glimpses of it in Children of Mah. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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17-Apr-2017 17:43:31

Hazeel

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Ancient Drew said :
I continue to abide by his philosophy that we should use everything that happens in life to become better people

So basically...learn from your experiences. Only Zaros could be so out of touch with mortal life to think that this is a profound philosophy and not a natural, fundamental part of being human. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Apr-2017 18:30:25

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Hazeel said :
Ancient Drew said :
I continue to abide by his philosophy that we should use everything that happens in life to become better people

So basically...learn from your experiences. Only Zaros could be so out of touch with mortal life to think that this is a profound philosophy and not a natural, fundamental part of being human.

He didn't market it as something special. You ask him what his philosophy is, and he tells you what he thinks.

And, to be fair, he's not wrong when he points out that the other god's philosophies (and opinions) tend to be more one-sided on the matter. For example, Saradomin largely discounts that chaos can act as a beneficial force, just as Zamorak doesn't see the benefits of stability/order.

17-Apr-2017 19:32:51

Hazeel

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Hguoh said :
He didn't market it as something special. You ask him what his philosophy is, and he tells you what he thinks.

It's more the fact that he even considers it a philosophy.

Hguoh said :
And, to be fair, he's not wrong when he points out that the other god's philosophies (and opinions) tend to be more one-sided on the matter. For example, Saradomin largely discounts that chaos can act as a beneficial force, just as Zamorak doesn't see the benefits of stability/order.

Gotta disagree with this one. They aren't quite as yin-yang as that. Zamorak is an organized and millitant leader who keeps his troops in line. He definitely understands the necessity of order and isn't promoting anarchy or anything. It's peace he has problems with because when there's peace the order stagnates but when there's chaos the order has to constantly adapt and evolve to suit it. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Apr-2017 20:16:59 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2017 20:17:13 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Ancient Drew said :
And it comes to show that he continues to stand by his convictions, and will keep trying to achieve it. He has no convictions other than his birthright (and perhaps an affection for Seren).
Ancient Drew said :
What does he consider to be perfection? If we look at the Empire He considers the empire a failure. He had as much to do with the empire's technological advancement as he did its ills. And remember that the religion of the empire (emphasis on hierarchy and strict order) has nothing to do with Zaros' current "philosophy" -- so, if you're trying to find Zaros' definition of perfect, you're looking in the wrong place.
Ancient Drew said :
And as for him being a sociopath, wouldn't this be a natural response to having a sister who gives off an aura of addictive love, and later come to resent Mah for creating her in order to, in his view, chain him up? I'm pretty sure his sociopathic/antisocial tendencies are at least partially built-in from Mah. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Apr-2017 22:32:21 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2017 22:39:56 by Raleirosen

Ancient Drew

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Raleirosen said :
He has no convictions other than his birthright (and perhaps an affection for Seren). Well, whatever they are, he still sticks by them. We all know you have to hate on anything and everything, but you know what? I'm still supporting him, and nothing you say will change my mind.

Raleirosen said :
He considers the empire a failure. He had as much to do with the empire's technological advancement as he did its ills. And remember that the religion of the empire (emphasis on hierarchy and strict order) has nothing to do with Zaros' current "philosophy" -- so, if you're trying to find Zaros' definition of perfect, you're looking in the wrong place. I never said the Empire was perfect, I was pointing out the good bits. Perfection on all fields is likely to never be achieved, but we can strive for it.

Raleirosen said :
I'm pretty sure his sociopathic/antisocial tendencies are at least partially built-in from Mah. And can you prove that Mah was sociopathic or antisocial? Would she even have created Zaros and Seren, and tried to keep them with her, if she was? You can try to 'call me out' as much as you like, but please remember that all I'm doing is putting my opinions and theories on the table like most of us are. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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17-Apr-2017 22:54:15

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