Marine Doge
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Werewolf stuff is weird. I was talking to some mods on Twitter a while back and it seems like they're writing and revising werewolf lore, and it seems like it's gonna be quite a bit different from the novels?
We'll have to wait and see :c
Also, we don't really know if gnomes, elves, dwarves, and humans can hybridize with each other, do we? I mean it's probably a safe assumption that they can, but has it actually come up in lore?
Want to lead me to this conversation?
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
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25-Feb-2018 23:54:29
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Chaos Lupus
Marine Doge
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Werewolf stuff is weird. I was talking to some mods on Twitter a while back and it seems like they're writing and revising werewolf lore, and it seems like it's gonna be quite a bit different from the novels? We'll have to wait and see :c
Also, we don't really know if gnomes, elves, dwarves, and humans can hybridize with each other, do we? I mean it's probably a safe assumption that they can, but has it actually come up in lore?
Jenny Blade from Lunar Diplomacy claims to be a human-gnome hybrid, but she also claims that both her eyes are glass. Tommy 2-Times from the same quest is also supposedly half-gnomish.
Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else.
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Chaos Lupus
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Marine Doge
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Werewolf stuff is weird. I was talking to some mods on Twitter a while back and it seems like they're writing and revising werewolf lore, and it seems like it's gonna be quite a bit different from the novels?
We'll have to wait and see :c
Also, we don't really know if gnomes, elves, dwarves, and humans can hybridize with each other, do we? I mean it's probably a safe assumption that they can, but has it actually come up in lore?
Want to lead me to this conversation?
Yea gimme a few to scour my twitter logs - there were no explicit statements, but yea.
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I can't find it all ;-; but I did find this:
https://gyazo.com/6cfa64461198738086553dd802bf0e53
So it seems like they're potentially changing some things, since the novels do have them set as their own race, and now Raven's dodgy about confirming that it's still accurate /shrug
For the record, the context of the question was just why the horror genre creatures (demon, undead, werewolf, vampyre) shared common weaknesses like blessings and junk, so there aren't really context clues to be had there either
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26-Feb-2018 00:17:09
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26-Feb-2018 00:26:22
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Marine Doge
Mermaids I'm not sure about since their reproductive bits are on the part that is a fish. If possible, a female mermaid carrying a human's child might have an issue when delivering since the child might not necessarily breath water while the mother is water-bound.
On the contrary, we know from the L&H "The Mermaid and the Dragon" that Mermaids can use their magic to give themselves legs. Hell, for all we know they might be born with legs and then gives themselves fins once they reach maturity. The Story does note that they've used their legs before.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
Mermaids I'm not sure about since their reproductive bits are on the part that is a fish. If possible, a female mermaid carrying a human's child might have an issue when delivering since the child might not necessarily breath water while the mother is water-bound.
On the contrary, we know from the L&H "The Mermaid and the Dragon" that Mermaids can use their magic to give themselves legs. Hell, for all we know they might be born with legs and then gives themselves fins once they reach maturity. The Story does note that they've used their legs before.
Fair enough, assuming they are willing to go on land for the birth.
So what humanoids do we think AREN'T related to humans? Personally, I'd go with Dreams of Mah, Fairies, the Bandosians, and most anthropomorphic races.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?
Raleirosen
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this is either a lie or a delusion; probably the latter, but who knows. you can google "observed instances of speciation" and find the proof quite easily. and if that's not enough for you, you can go to a database and look up the actual literature and read that. and if
that's
not enough for you, you can reproduce the experiments yourself to refute the conclusions of those lying scientists and prove that evolution isn't real. but you're not actually interested in reality or the truth, you're trying to hold onto your trash fire of a religious ideology. I doubt you'll even try the first of those options.
To be fair, the theory of evolution has an Achilles heel; it relies on the presumption that time exists, the uniformity principle and by extension, cause and effect. None of those things can be proven by conventional means. David Hume, who was addressing cause and effect threw the early modern philosophers into disarray when he pointed this out in the "
Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
. Fortunately, Kant, in the
Critique of Pure Reason
offers that they are known through intuition, aka a priori knowledge. Unfortunately, Kant grounded his ideas in the transcendental doctrine, which has its own problems... Though, I digress for this is not the time to start sprouting my dorm room philosophy
.
Regardless of the soundness of transcendentalism, arguing against evolution using these critiques is not a palatable position to take for most as it denies cause and effect, empiricism, time etc. I only mention it because I think the occasional solipsism can be pretty useful and because I was enjoying this little dialogue so much that I think it is worth mentioning.
For the record, evolution is my jam.
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26-Feb-2018 02:31:20
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Cthris
Wahisietel
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So what humanoids do we think AREN'T related to humans? Personally, I'd go with Dreams of Mah, Fairies, the Bandosians, and most anthropomorphic races.
The Dreams of Mah definitely aren't as they are pale imitations of Zaros and Seren (favoring Zaros) created by Mah.
The fairies seem to have naturally arisen to serve the whims of Gielinor's anima and seasons.
The Bandosians are hard to tell. We have little knowledge about them prior to Bandos breeding them into their current races. So it's entirely possible that they were once much more human-like than they are now. Perhaps a question for the next Lore Q&A.
I would agree that a lot of anthropomorphic races likely aren't related to humans. Avians like the aviansie show characteristics that real mammals do not and few fantasy mammals in game have in select locations (icyene): feathers. I even have my doubts about the singing cat race Armadyl described, though they're more likely to be related to humans than Aviansie.
I'd like to add in all forms of demons for races likely unrelated to humans given their home planes relativly inhospitable nature to humans and the knowledge that at least one race is created directly from a fire on the plane.
Vampyres, on the other hand, seem to be related to humans considering one can turn a human into one by blood magic and coincidentally first arose on a plane that is aligned with blood runic energy.
Illujanka likely aren't related to humans given they are distinctly reptillian and lay eggs as opposed to bearing live young.
I wouldn't be surprised if centaurs were initially a byproduct of magic on humans.
Jaekob Caed
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Like I said, not gonna debate further, but I
have
researched it from a variety of sources, both from the creationist and evolutionist perspective.
frankly, I don't believe you. if you somehow have done this "research," then the dogma has too strong a grip on your mind for you to be swayed by anything remotely rational. another possibility is that you're just not that smart; you seem competent to me, though, so I'll chalk it up to self-deception.
Jaekob Caed
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And no, I cannot reproduce the experiments myself because you can neither test nor observe evolution because of its theoretical macro scale that would span more than one lifetime.
more lies and/or delusions
Cthris
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To be fair, the theory of evolution has an Achilles heel; it relies on the presumption that time exists, the uniformity principle and by extension, cause and effect.
goddamnit Cthris, ahahaha~
Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.
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26-Feb-2018 02:55:32
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Raleirosen
Vampyres, on the other hand, seem to be related to humans considering one can turn a human into one by blood magic and coincidentally first arose on a plane that is aligned with blood runic energy.
The mods are keen to point out that runic blood is different than dark elemental blood from the last revision - vyres aren't creatures of runic catalytic blood, they're dark blood. Runic blood was reverse engineered from ancient blood, though, so there is a connection.
Anyways, I don't think vampyres are related to humans for a variety of reasons that I'm too tired to put into words, but Rowley(?) said it's theoretically possible to use haemalchemy to turn races into things besides vampyres. Vyres just happen to possess the natural ability to do so without haemalchemy (although without it, it's much less likely to succeed). It was somewhere in the River of Blood Q&A. So yea, it's not specifically a human conversion thing.
If you wanna scour the RoB Q&A, here it is: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m6latakp5ymqubl/AABnEdubzfrT2Kp4YdH3Nxexa/River%20of%20Blood%20Q%26A%20%2827.4.2016%29.docx?dl=0
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Marine Doge