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2023

William Witt

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@ Jaekob Caed

Evolution is believed in because that is where the scientific evidence points. The theory is well supported, with little to disprove it.

To quote one of the writings of St. Augustine of Hippo, "The Literal Meaning of Genesis" (completed in AD 415) -

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37. In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different Interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such a case, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture.

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39. Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

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25-Feb-2018 05:52:51 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 06:36:38 by William Witt

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William Witt

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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field in which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although "they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion." (1 Timothy 1:7)

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

25-Feb-2018 06:22:35 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 06:35:33 by William Witt

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2011

Jaekob Caed

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I just recently got into a debate of creationism (I'm not the standard young earth creationist) vs evolution and came out of it even further convinced that it's an absolutely unscientific fairy tale with zero evidence. Every time I ask for evidence, the evolutionists always say "There's plenty of evidence, look it up." I look it up, sometimes it repeats that statement while other times, it says "There's plenty of evidence because scientists say so." Every single time I debate that matter, it further convinces me that evolution was dreamed up by lying men who wanted to try to avoid accountability before God by saying that we're all just animals. Well, I have something to say:

I am no ape, I am a son of the Most High God and made in His image. Every human was made in His image, we didn't come from apes. Just as apes never came from fish which never came from bacteria.

But I digress, my statement still stands: evolution is a fairy tale and it's nice to get away from that rubbish in video games that ignore/don't use the theory (it's just a theory because it's untested and unobservable) of evolution. I only hope Jagex doesn't shoehorn it into the game lore. ~

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25-Feb-2018 08:34:40

Hguoh

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Penny Drakis said :
What bit of lore revealed that Zaros was created first, and that Seren was an afterthought? Not that I am Serenist or anything, but I thought they were created as a pair.

Post-quest dialogue with Zaros after the Light WIthin about his relationship with Seren:

Zaros: Mah made me first and within me she gave the power of loyalty. So that all who met me would follow me. But it wasn't enough. I could command her feeble muspah, but I was still nothing but a toy to her. When I tried to leave she dreamed Seren into existence. In her Mah gave the power to inspire love, at least how she understood it.

25-Feb-2018 11:03:10 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 11:20:59 by Hguoh

Hguoh

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Jaekob Caed said :
I am no ape, I am a son of the Most High God and made in His image. Every human was made in His image, we didn't come from apes. Just as apes never came from fish which never came from bacteria.

Of course humans aren't apes. 'Ape' itself is not a taxonomic term. Neither is 'fish' to be fair. In both cases, the terms are paraphyletic. So let's use a more appropriate term for what humans are: primates.

Primates are characterized by:

A large brain relative to other mammals.
A reliance on stereoscopic vision over olfaction (the sensory system most typically dominant in mammals).

Would you deny that you are a mammal with a brain that is relatively larger than most mammals and, barring any injury to or malfunctioning of your eyes, rely on your stereoscopic vision more than your nose to navigate the world?

Because unless you can deny that you fall into these categories, you are a primate just like apes and monkeys.

We can then begin our way down to more specific terms of classification. New world monkeys, old world monkeys, apes, and humans fall into the category of Simiiform because they possess a fused mandible, a postorbital septum, fused frontal bones, no grooming claw, a more mobile face than other primates, forward facing eyes, a relatively larger brain, and all the prior characteristics of primates.

And we can go further. The category Catarhinni contains Old World Monkeys, Apes, and Humans as all these in the group possess the same qualifying characteristics of the last two groups as well as: downward facing nostrils, lack a prehensile tail, have flat fingernails and toenails, have 8 premolars (a type of tooth), and a tubular ectotympanic (a bony ring in the tempolar bone that holds the ear drum).

And we can go further. The category Hominoidea contains the lesser apes, the great apes, and humans. Members of this category show a wider range of free movement at the shoulder joint.

25-Feb-2018 11:30:46

Hguoh

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And just like the groups before it, members of Catarhinni possess every traits of the groups before.

So up until this point, you share every category of classification with every other ape on the planet.

The next group is Hominidae. These contain the great apes and humans. This is where classification gets a bit weird. Members of Hominidae are characterized by a capacity for language or simple cultures beyond the family or band (they also share 97% or more of their DNA with the human genome) in addition to having every characteristic of the groups prior.

So congratulations, you aren't just any ape. You're a great ape.

I'd go on, but the further specific groups are currently under debate as to what all falls within what/where and are subject to mostly DNA and fossil evidence/arguments rather than observable characteristics that the lay person, like myself and you, can reasonably understand.

Anyway, kudos to you if you can find some way you don't belong in these categories. Or maybe not, since you wouldn't be human then.

25-Feb-2018 11:53:58

Hguoh

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Jaekob Caed said :
Every single time I debate that matter, it further convinces me that evolution was dreamed up by lying men who wanted to try to avoid accountability before God by saying that we're all just animals.

You do understand that most Christians on the Earth understand evolution to be true and still believe themselves to be accountable to God, right? There was a Pew Research Poll on this back in 2013 that found that 33% of adults surveyed believed humans existed in their current form since the dawn of time to 60% that believed humans evolved.

They even broke the numbers down by denomination and race with only the categories of Black and White Protestants having a majority believing that humans existed in the current form since the dawn of time.

So yeah, accountability has nothing to do with it. It also makes no sense. Ignorance of the law does not excuse one from the punishments of breaking the law in most countries.

25-Feb-2018 12:28:35

Zulkir

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Jaekob Caed said :
I just recently got into a debate of creationism (I'm not the standard young earth creationist) vs evolution and came out of it even further convinced that it's an absolutely unscientific fairy tale with zero evidence. Every time I ask for evidence, the evolutionists always say "There's plenty of evidence, look it up." I look it up, sometimes it repeats that statement while other times, it says "There's plenty of evidence because scientists say so." Every single time I debate that matter, it further convinces me that evolution was dreamed up by lying men who wanted to try to avoid accountability before God by saying that we're all just animals. Well, I have something to say:

I am no ape, I am a son of the Most High God and made in His image. Every human was made in His image, we didn't come from apes. Just as apes never came from fish which never came from bacteria.

But I digress, my statement still stands: evolution is a fairy tale and it's nice to get away from that rubbish in video games that ignore/don't use the theory (it's just a theory because it's untested and unobservable) of evolution. I only hope Jagex doesn't shoehorn it into the game lore.

The Question of "How" doesn't exactly need to have the same answer as the Question of "Why".

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25-Feb-2018 13:21:16 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 13:21:35 by Zulkir

Marine Doge

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The guy's trolling, just ignore him

Jaekob Caed said :
the theory (it's just a theory because it's untested and unobservable) of evolution..
Could tell for certain once he said that ^ Mods pls notice me

25-Feb-2018 16:07:49 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 16:15:42 by Marine Doge

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2011

Jaekob Caed

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This isn't the place to debate this matter, I was just stating an opinion. I will say this much, however: evolution is contradiction to the Bible. If a Christian believes in evolution, they're believing in a false theory that contradicts the Bible. Contradict the Bible and you invalidate your faith. According to the Bible, our first ancestors, Adam and Eve, were created as we are today, created in the image of God. We see various different "races" of humans simply because God created the various species on earth to be adaptable. In that way, evolution is true: we are able to adapt to our environments over time, but we never change kinds. Sea creatures have always been sea creatures, mammals have always been mammals, humans have always been simply human . So, to reaffirm my statement: no, I am not an animal and neither are you. We never have been and never will be.

And no, I'm not trolling. There has never been one bit of proof. Not one test, no observations of the theory, yet people accept it as true simply because "scientists said so". Every single time I ask an evolutionist to provide proof, it always boils back down to the "scientists said so" thing which is just as faith-based as believing in a God we cannot see. ~

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25-Feb-2018 16:37:39

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