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Marine Doge

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Anyways, my main reason for subscribing to the idea that humanoids evolved from the Teragardian colonists is because icyene and werewolves can hybridize with humans - which wouldn't be possible if they weren't similar enough on a genetic level.
Of course, if weird magic elder god mumbo jumbo was actually the driving force behind different species evolving into very similar shapes, it could have made their genetic coding similar without them sharing a common ancestor.
Or it could all just be magic handwave to explain how different species can breed together.
I'm not including Moia because she seems to have been made differently, and also Mahj are divine shapeshifters - for all we know, their DNA can become compatible with humans through some weird shapeshifting stuff. Mods pls notice me

25-Feb-2018 17:11:31

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Inque

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Look, it was really not my intention to start a religious debate here, so can we please drop it now?

Hguoh said :
Marine Doge said :
The oldest of icyene are stated to be hundreds of thousands of years old (revealed in the most recent RuneFest if I recall), so at the very least, this universe is... hundreds of thousands of years old. More likely in the millions, given that Hallow is a higher plane, so it's "newer" and yet still hundreds of thousands of years old. And then there's the time it would have taken for icyene to arise at all.
Zaros claims to be aeons of years old and to have been born in this cycle's 'infancy.' Assuming he's not overly exaggerating, that would place him and this cycle at billions of years old (1 aeon is 1 billion years).

About Zaros being "aeons" old: I'm pretty sure that's just his way of saying "a long, long, time". But billions of years? I kind of doubt that!

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25-Feb-2018 17:34:40 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 17:40:54 by Inque

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William Witt

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Marine Doge said :
Anyways, my main reason for subscribing to the idea that humanoids evolved from the Teragardian colonists is because icyene and werewolves can hybridize with humans - which wouldn't be possible if they weren't similar enough on a genetic level.
Of course, if weird magic elder god mumbo jumbo was actually the driving force behind different species evolving into very similar shapes, it could have made their genetic coding similar without them sharing a common ancestor.
Or it could all just be magic handwave to explain how different species can breed together.
I'm not including Moia because she seems to have been made differently, and also Mahj are divine shapeshifters - for all we know, their DNA can become compatible with humans through some weird shapeshifting stuff.

Werewolves were supposedly humans who behaved with such wickedness they turned into wolves, so suggest the novels - so that, at least, is understandable.

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25-Feb-2018 17:41:07

Marine Doge

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Werewolf stuff is weird. I was talking to some mods on Twitter a while back and it seems like they're writing and revising werewolf lore, and it seems like it's gonna be quite a bit different from the novels? We'll have to wait and see :c
Also, we don't really know if gnomes, elves, dwarves, and humans can hybridize with each other, do we? I mean it's probably a safe assumption that they can, but has it actually come up in lore? Mods pls notice me

25-Feb-2018 18:23:08

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Inque

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Humans and Icyene can reproduce with each other (think Safalaan), and they're two species that are nothing alike aside from a superficial resemblance. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume that humans can also reproduce with other humanoid races.

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25-Feb-2018 18:34:00

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Jaekob Caed said :
There has never been one bit of proof. Not one test, no observations of the theory this is either a lie or a delusion; probably the latter, but who knows. you can google "observed instances of speciation" and find the proof quite easily. and if that's not enough for you, you can go to a database and look up the actual literature and read that. and if that's not enough for you, you can reproduce the experiments yourself to refute the conclusions of those lying scientists and prove that evolution isn't real. but you're not actually interested in reality or the truth, you're trying to hold onto your trash fire of a religious ideology. I doubt you'll even try the first of those options. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

25-Feb-2018 18:35:10 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2018 18:36:20 by Raleirosen

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Jaekob Caed

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Raleirosen said :
Jaekob Caed said :
There has never been one bit of proof. Not one test, no observations of the theory this is either a lie or a delusion; probably the latter, but who knows. you can google "observed instances of speciation" and find the proof quite easily. and if that's not enough for you, you can go to a database and look up the actual literature and read that. and if that's not enough for you, you can reproduce the experiments yourself to refute the conclusions of those lying scientists and prove that evolution isn't real. but you're not actually interested in reality or the truth, you're trying to hold onto your trash fire of a religious ideology. I doubt you'll even try the first of those options.

Like I said, not gonna debate further, but I have researched it from a variety of sources, both from the creationist and evolutionist perspective. Nothing has convinced me evolution is true. All I have found is more reason to believe it's an unscientific, made-up fairytale.

And no, I cannot reproduce the experiments myself because you can neither test nor observe evolution because of its theoretical macro scale that would span more than one lifetime. If something cannot be tested or observed, it is simply unscientific. ~

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25-Feb-2018 20:01:42

Marine Doge

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Inque said :
Humans and Icyene can reproduce with each other (think Safalaan), and they're two species that are nothing alike aside from a superficial resemblance. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume that humans can also reproduce with other humanoid races.
That's what I was thinking, yea, and it's the most likely scenario, but you never know, right?
It's safe to assume that humans can hybridize with gnomes, dwarves, and elves; we know they can breed with icyene and werewolves. Thoughts on reproducing with sirens, mermaids, and Auspah? Mods pls notice me

25-Feb-2018 20:17:02

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Inque

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Marine Doge said :
Inque said :
Humans and Icyene can reproduce with each other (think Safalaan), and they're two species that are nothing alike aside from a superficial resemblance. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume that humans can also reproduce with other humanoid races.
That's what I was thinking, yea, and it's the most likely scenario, but you never know, right?
It's safe to assume that humans can hybridize with gnomes, dwarves, and elves; we know they can breed with icyene and werewolves. Thoughts on reproducing with sirens, mermaids, and Auspah?

I have a feeling that the less human something looks, the less likely they can hybridize with them. *shrugs*

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25-Feb-2018 20:33:33

Hguoh

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Jaekob Caed said :
If a Christian believes in evolution, they're believing in a false theory that contradicts the Bible. Contradict the Bible and you invalidate your faith. According to the Bible, our first ancestors, Adam and Eve, were created as we are today, created in the image of God. We see various different "races" of humans simply because God created the various species on earth to be adaptable.

You said before that you aren't a standard young earth creationist. In that case, you are just doing with the rest of the bible what most Christians do with Genesis in the case of evolution: ignoring or explaining away the contradictions.

It is the young earth creationists that take all the evidence the Bible has when it comes to the age of the Earth (the account in Genesis, the genealogies provided, the lengths of each individual's life, etc...) and that's how they come up with their number for the Earth's age.

To disagree with them, you have to take issue with some of the accounts in the Bible. Maybe this story is allegory, that story is a metaphor, and that story was misinterpreted from God's original word by the mortal men that he had write the book. Most Christians just continue that line of thought when it comes to Genesis and evolution. They don't believe the story to be 100% literal, taking the creation of man in a day to be creating them via evolution, or just attribute the entire story to being allegorical.

25-Feb-2018 20:59:21

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