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Hazeel

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Raleirosen said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue seeking support.

I can't control what goes on under the table, but if you want to really push for this, I think we need to find some kind of sanction. Trying to get a vote going for Dethal to trade his account to you is going to lead to a lot of hidden posts or a thread lock.

With that said, I did once see a J Mod say that account trading was "technically legal, but not encouraged" for low level alt accounts. This was in the Clan Leadership forums. But I think you're going to want to get a quote or something so F Mods don't start jumping the thread. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Mar-2016 21:05:15

Helring
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Helring

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Raleirosen said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue to take this seriously.

Everyone believes they have the best solution, if they didn't then they wouldn't be trying.
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18-Mar-2016 21:05:59

Unicornz pwn
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Hazeel said :
Raleirosen said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue seeking support.

I can't control what goes on under the table, but if you want to really push for this, I think we need to find some kind of sanction. Trying to get a vote going for Dethal to trade his account to you is going to lead to a lot of hidden posts or a thread lock.

With that said, I did once see a J Mod say that account trading was "technically legal, but not encouraged" for low level alt accounts. This was in the Clan Leadership forums. But I think you're going to want to get a quote or something so F Mods don't start jumping the thread.
Or a simple account name swap.

There are many solutions, should such a decision be made.
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18-Mar-2016 21:06:56

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
With that said, I did once see a J Mod say that account trading was "technically legal, but not encouraged" for low level alt accounts. This was in the Clan Leadership forums. But I think you're going to want to get a quote or something so F Mods don't start jumping the thread*
Point taken. I would like to think that Jagex is pragmatic enough to recognize the circumstances, but you never know. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 21:07:18 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:08:02 by Raleirosen

Chaos Lupus

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Raleirosen said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue to take this seriously.

And other people think that your ideas are terrible, which leaves us with the problem of added drama and a split vote and everything else involved in an owner change.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 21:08:00

Raleirosen

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Chaos Lupus said :
And other people think that your ideas are terrible, which leaves us with the problem of added drama and a split vote and everything else involved in an owner change.
If they do, they always have the option of discussing them civilly, rather than resorting to soap opera shenanigans. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 21:09:57 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:11:36 by Raleirosen

Half Centaur
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Half Centaur

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Hazeel said :
Having a set number needed to vote a general out is ridiculous and would lead to endless re-elections. I could find 10 people to remove every single general that was elected last time as well as Dethal.

If that were the case, then we could never do elections either. That isn't the case imho.

If you're recruiting people who have never been on the fc, don't even have smileys, and have no reason to appeal a general then it would be obvious.

Five people complaining about a general for a specific issue is a good reason to at least re-evaluate a general's position. Whether it be these people can repeal him alone- or it moves to some trial period (to see if the general actually broke a rule or abused the position), is a good point to debate though. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

18-Mar-2016 21:29:37

Half Centaur
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By the way, I still have no idea of who the current generals are.

The old ones-

Amascut
Ascertes
Chaos Lupus
Dennorak
Dethal
Half Centaur
Hazeel
Lethalintent
Solanumtinkr
Unicornz pwn

Of those guys, not all of us have the star back, and some new people have stars now (which is a little strange cause I have no idea who they are, looking at you Rail*irosen(No offense meant, I haven't been on as much as I used to and my memories pretty bad))



Not trying to be rude, just asking for transparency.

I'd like to know who you are/why Dethal picked you. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

18-Mar-2016 21:33:11 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:34:52 by Half Centaur

Helring
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Helring

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I don't think it matters whether the Generals actually abused their position or not. The very fact that a person being a General is causing drama means that having them as General is counter to the objectives of having Generals. Generals need to be trusted by everyone, and if you have 10+ people that don't trust them then they're useless in that position, and leaving them there will just cause more issues in the future.


I have a General star on temporary basis. I came to forums to mock the whole situation because I'd talked to several people that disliked the reappearance of Generals without any discussion on it or voting, yet no one seemed to really be discussing the issue. Whatever happens, I'm glad people are discussing it openly now. I was asked by Dethal if I wanted to be a General until it was decided what will happen with the Fc, and I figured it would work because I don't think anyone in the FC has any major issues with me (at least not ones that they've told me) and I personally don't have any issues with anyone in the FC. Hope that explains why I acccepted the temporary Star, and if there are any other questions you have then feel free to ask, Centaur.
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18-Mar-2016 21:33:42 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:39:15 by Helring

Half Centaur
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Half Centaur

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That doesn't make sense.

You have to have at least some reason to not want someone to be general. I can 'lack trust' in Hazeel because I feel like he doesn't listen to me when I talk about why Armadyl isn't a hypocrite. But that doesn't affect his ability to uphold the duties of a general.


The reason could be that they say inappropriate/disrepectful things to other players- but just 'not trusting' (for no real reason) a general isn't a real reason to not want to give them the star.


It really depends what your threshold for 'causing drama' is at that point. If ten children come in and think their opinions are sacred- we'll bleed generals, which isn't right. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

18-Mar-2016 21:37:53

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