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Hazeel

Hazeel

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I'll be the first to admit that democracy can be a double edged sword, especially in a community this small. And I trust Dethal, so if people are all for letting him make decisions on his own, that's great.

I just don't want people to feel like they have absolutely no say in what's going on, because that leads to resentment, then hatred, and then an explosion of drama.

One idea I will propose, if we go back to the original general system, is to change election procedure so that elections occur only when requested by a sizable number of people. There would be a minimum time limit between elections (6 months), but if nobody makes a request for elections and the generals are doing a good job, we could go a full three years or so without ever having an election. This would help limit generals while removing some of the election tedium. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Mar-2016 20:48:17 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 20:52:55 by Hazeel

Chaos Lupus

Chaos Lupus

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Raleirosen said :
Chaos Lupus said :
I'm pretty sure that most people would seriously take over as owner of the FC given the choice.
And I imagine the majority of those people would only do so as a petty power-grab. Most would lack motivation, foresight, impartiality, etc.

I am acutely aware that it's merely a video game chatroom, and only want to improve it. And I proposed a comprehensive plan to do so.

I also want what's best for the FC, as do the others who spoke up about ownership. They were making light of it because of how ridiculous it would be to add an option for everyone who thinks they'd be the best for the role.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 20:50:40

Raleirosen

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Helring said :
I put myself forward as God Empress before you made your post, and my platform was pretty clear that I'd do whatever I wanted. So, you are the copycat, meow.
Unfortunately I'm not running for god empress; I just want to improve a RuneScape FC.

Chaos Lupus said :
I also want what's best for the FC, as do the others who spoke up about ownership. They were making light of it because of how ridiculous it would be to add an option for everyone who thinks they'd be the best for the role.
It was not meant as an invitation for everyone to throw their hats into the metaphorical ring. I actually thought about what I'd do as gold key and created a plan (bottom of page 18, for those interested). Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 20:51:35 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 20:55:02 by Raleirosen

Helring
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Helring

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Raleirosen said :
Helring said :
I put myself forward as God Empress before you made your post, and my platform was pretty clear that I'd do whatever I wanted. So, you are the copycat, meow.
Unfortunately I'm not running for god empress; I just want to improve a RuneScape Lore FC.

Same basic idea, mine is just with more worship and less logic.
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18-Mar-2016 20:54:36

Chaos Lupus

Chaos Lupus

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Hazeel said :
I'll be the first to admit that democracy can be a double edged sword, especially in a community this small. And I trust Dethal, so if people are all for letting him make decisions on his own, that's great.

I just don't want people to feel like they have absolutely no say in what's going on, because that leads to resentment, then hatred, and then an explosion of drama.

I trust Dethal as well, he's put up with a lot of ******** for a long time because he really wants what's best for the FC. That said, I don't think that giving one person complete control over the FC is the solution, especially if that is done without a vote. There is always someone who takes issue when an executive decision is made and it usually ends up driving people away.

If option 3 does end up winning, I'll go along with the majority's decision as I have been doing since the beginning, but it at least needs to pass first.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 20:55:00

Chaos Lupus

Chaos Lupus

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Raleirosen said :
Helring said :
I put myself forward as God Empress before you made your post, and my platform was pretty clear that I'd do whatever I wanted. So, you are the copycat, meow.
Unfortunately I'm not running for god empress; I just want to improve a RuneScape Lore FC.

Chaos Lupus said :
I also want what's best for the FC, as do the others who spoke up about ownership. They were making light of it because of how ridiculous it would be to add an option for everyone who thinks they'd be the best for the role.
It was not meant as an invitation for everyone to throw their hats into the metaphorical ring. I actually thought about what I'd do as gold key and created a plan (bottom of page 18, for those interested).

Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 20:56:47

Hazeel

Hazeel

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Chaos Lupus said :
There is always someone who takes issue when an executive decision is made and it usually ends up driving people away.

That IS the issue with removing democracy. At least with elections, if someone doesn't like a general or thinks there's a bias, I can say "Hey, they were elected by the majority. If you don't like it, try to get someone else to take position next time."

It's harder on Dethal too, because if anyone has a problem with anything that's going on, he's the one that gets blamed for it. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Mar-2016 20:59:20 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:00:00 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Chaos Lupus said :
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue to take this seriously. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 21:02:05 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 21:02:55 by Raleirosen

Helring
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Helring

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Hazeel said :
Chaos Lupus said :
There is always someone who takes issue when an executive decision is made and it usually ends up driving people away.

That IS the issue with removing democracy. At least with elections, if someone doesn't like a general or thinks there's a bias, I can say "Hey, they were elected by the majority. If you don't like it, try to get someone else to take position next time."

It's harder on Dethal too, because if anyone has a problem with anything that's going on, he's the one that gets blamed for it.

Majority doesn't work well with such a fractured group. You don't need the most powerful people from each group, you need the least objectionable ones. You need people that aren't going to cause drama by being there or drive people away.
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18-Mar-2016 21:05:09

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