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Hauyne

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The Elder Gods are not like some loving creators who created life for the sake of delight (like some real-world religion deities). They are farmers who sow the seeds so that they could eat later.

The thing is, Seren is blinded by sentiments, and she does have a track record of making extremely harmful decisions because of that.

It's tragic, really. Except for the elves, do the subjects of her affection even love her back? She doomed the Mahjarrat for Mah, but we don't know if Mah loved her, and it is hinted that Mah loved Zaros more still. She left Tarddiad for Guthix, thereby doomed the Cywir clan, but he doesn't actually love her according to the memory bud in halls of memories.

Kerapac's hatred against the Elder Gods has a greater basis than Seren's love for them. He lived under their oppression for aeons, even if he wants to kill them out of spite it wouldn't be that unreasonable. While she wants to play nice with the Elder Gods because of some familial love, even if she barely know them at all. She could potentially doom the world to save her distant aunts.

15-May-2019 19:10:43

Hazeel

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That's the problem with appeasement...the Elder Gods, to no fault of their own, seem to be very pragmatic. The most likely appeasement would be something that not only benefits them, but something that keeps sentient life necessary. And that would be some form of slavery.

But let's say, for a moment, that the Elder Gods were the idealistic naive creatures that Seren seems to want them to be, taken to fancy by something as ludicrous and childishly naive as a garden. Well...what then? Do they just disappear? No. They still need to survive, they still have their own whims and needs, and mortal kind can spend the rest of its existence with a drawn knife to their backs, wondering if and when the Elder Gods might change their mind or decide there's a more practical use for mortals that doesn't suit our own self interests.

Oh and Dennorak, to correct ourselves, Kerapac wasn't trying to keep the Elder Gods asleep, he was trying to put them back to sleep. In theory, this could be a band-aid fix, but since Kerapac was lying, we don't even know if it's truly possible. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

15-May-2019 19:23:42 - Last edited on 15-May-2019 19:24:24 by Hazeel

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2020

Dennorak

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Hazeel said :
Dennorak said :
Hazeel said :
Dennorak said :
I would be curious about Kerapac's original (fake?) plan of just keeping them in a state of perpetual sleep? Why wouldn't that work? I have a feeling it would, but with what the Elders did to the Dragonkin Kerapac probably wants a more satisfying form of revenge.

This was Xenia's plan. Then Ariane stopped it, resulting in the Elders waking up prematurely. Now that they're awake, that ship has sailed.
It wasn’t her plan. Her plan involved draining Gielinor of anima to starve the elder gods. Kerapac’s was to use the needle to keep them in an eternal state of sleep.

Her plan was to prevent them from waking. This would have never starved the Elder Gods. If you want to starve them, you need to remove all life (or change its nature). Much like plants create oxygen, life creates anima. Even removing it would only be temporary solution, unless you have a constant vacuum effect.

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The elder gods feed on the Anima Mundi, the natural flow of energy in the world. If we were to take that energy and siphon it away, then the elder gods would never wake up.
They key difference there is that Xenia's plan would involve Gielinor losing its magic, no? Without the anima we wouldn't have magic.

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15-May-2019 21:16:56

Hazeel

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Dennorak said :
They key difference there is that Xenia's plan would involve Gielinor losing its magic, no? Without the anima we wouldn't have magic.

This is based on Ariane's idea that removing anima would remove magic. There is no evidence for this, there's plenty of evidence against this, and even if we assume it's true...so what? Again, anima is like oxygen in that it is constantly being produced. Unless you remove the source (life) then the anima will return and so would magic. It's simply a matter of not letting anima reach levels that would be acceptable to the Elders, thus causing them to awake.

That said, based on what Zaros said about the source of magic, it could be possible that killing/removing/banishing the Elder Gods might remove magic. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

15-May-2019 21:37:36

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2008

Cinderlynn

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For those of you who think sacrificing gielinor is the best option we can't even get Jagex to to create abbinah so I doubt they are going to destroy gielinor! elves and aviansie on tarddidad doesn't take into account whether the planet could support all the elves plus the avaiansie as apposed to just the aviansie and the crystal shapeshifters! Frenekae is basically uninhabitable! and Yubiusk may be healing but how many of Bandos followers understand the concept of farming and plants(enough to feed that many races?) Also there are innocent creatures incapable of leaving (even a lot of the plants on gielinor are sentient lets be honest) Also since I doubt they would come How many of us are willing to condemn the harr to oblivion!Hey Jagex this would be a good place for a vorago quest! Kerapac is definitely a threat to this world! Point is gielinor isn't getting destroyed because all the evacuation worlds except 2 Jagex has not created yet and the game still needs to continue! So by that standard all adventurer's would have to move to either tarddiad or Freneskrae! And gielinor is vastly populated who knows how long evacuation would take and there is only one escape point!

16-May-2019 00:16:27

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2023

Lego Miester

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Knowing a hint of dragonkin language is like a bilingual bonus in this quest. I could tell when Kerepac's plan failed that was probably a very colorful chain of swears.

How did Graardor fit in the front door?

The new static cutscenes work alright, kind of in the style of that Guthix backstory one back when the 6th age was starting.

Speaking of, does that mean we're in the 7th age now? That was quick!

I don't know how Kerepac plans to proceed but I doubt it could work. Reverse time on the whole planet to un-birth the elder gods? One of them is literally an embodiment of time and we're using, in their words, "their discarded tools", I wouldn't think it would be enough. I sympathize with the dragonkin, I really do, but this plan seems about as likely to fail as the garden idea and at least then we'd get a sweet garden out of it. (it was going to be tended to by zombies, thus no one has to worry about getting ghasted! It was the perfect plan!)

Is it just me or does everyone look blue now? Kerepac has an excuse, but has Thok been chewing some Willy Wonka gum? Got his tats enchanted? He's got a blue outline. Looking around the room really reinforces how they can't settle on a bloody artstyle for this game. Well, he still looks better than those blurry-faced humans in the zaros vs. zamorak flashback quest. First it was "detailed but laggy", then "blurry and faded", now everything's blue. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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16-May-2019 01:01:19 - Last edited on 16-May-2019 01:08:14 by Lego Miester

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2023

Lego Miester

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Dennorak said :
For those who have done the quest, there is dialogue missing from Roald/Amik due to a bug, I will post it here:

R: It's quite hard being the king you know.
R: When your literal god is nearby, no one really wants to listen the king.
A: I can imagine
R: No one really wants your advice as a king when your god is next door.
R: Oh they'll come round and say hi.
R :But its only ever for the paperwork.
R: No one really WANTS to know. You know?
A: Yes your majesty, terribly tragic.
A: My heart overflows with sympathy for you.
A: But I really must urge you back to the point at hand.
A: I need to know how many young men you can push to the white knights.
R: Conscription? Really? Is this what we have come to?
R: We're not at war, what could we possibly need to conscript for?
A: Begging your pardon your majesty, but I must correct you.
A: We are not at war, yet..
A: The black knights are up to something, we need to be prepared for them.
R: Fine fine fine. What Saradomin wants, Saradomin gets.
R: But I think it's all fuss over nothing.

Daquarius/Crane/Blacklock also have dialogue hinting at future Kinshra vs White Knight conflict. Something is being built up there for future story, and I am quite interested at where it's going.

Do you have that backwards? Roald isn't the king. Then I'm still confused, because Amik isn't the king either. Leader of the white knights, yes, but not the king. We haven't seen him in ages and they just kind of took over.

I'm very confused. Who were the two characters talking? Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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16-May-2019 01:12:39 - Last edited on 16-May-2019 01:14:16 by Lego Miester

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2020

Dennorak

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Lego Miester said :
Dennorak said :
For those who have done the quest, there is dialogue missing from Roald/Amik due to a bug, I will post it here:

R: It's quite hard being the king you know.
R: When your literal god is nearby, no one really wants to listen the king.
A: I can imagine
R: No one really wants your advice as a king when your god is next door.
R: Oh they'll come round and say hi.
R :But its only ever for the paperwork.
R: No one really WANTS to know. You know?
A: Yes your majesty, terribly tragic.
A: My heart overflows with sympathy for you.
A: But I really must urge you back to the point at hand.
A: I need to know how many young men you can push to the white knights.
R: Conscription? Really? Is this what we have come to?
R: We're not at war, what could we possibly need to conscript for?
A: Begging your pardon your majesty, but I must correct you.
A: We are not at war, yet..
A: The black knights are up to something, we need to be prepared for them.
R: Fine fine fine. What Saradomin wants, Saradomin gets.
R: But I think it's all fuss over nothing.

Daquarius/Crane/Blacklock also have dialogue hinting at future Kinshra vs White Knight conflict. Something is being built up there for future story, and I am quite interested at where it's going.

Do you have that backwards? Roald isn't the king. Then I'm still confused, because Amik isn't the king either. Leader of the white knights, yes, but not the king. We haven't seen him in ages and they just kind of took over.

I'm very confused. Who were the two characters talking?
I'm not understanding? Roald is the King of Misthalin. R = Roald, A = Amik.

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16-May-2019 01:28:57

Hazeel

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Lego Miester said :
Do you have that backwards? Roald isn't the king.

I know my lore is rusty, but I'm pretty damn sure King Roald is the king of Varrock. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

16-May-2019 02:17:14

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2010

Lord Drakan

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Some other points.

- V7's murder was set up by Kerapac.

- Kerapac has obtained the Staff of Armadyl.

- Seems Sliske was somehow, for some reason, working for both Jas and Zaros at the time of MPD.

- Fossil Island hype? An island to the north-east, related to the Kin. Aren't too many of those around. I would hope it's the castle where Robert the Strong fought and imprisoned the Kin two-ish centuries into the Fourth Age, but it's probably more ancient than that.

- Kerapac has a child. Must be old then. They've not been able to reproduce for a while.

- It may be possible to undo Drakan's corruption of Hallowvale. This'll never happen, though, since Temple Trekking has to exist.

- Likewise, the desertification may be stopped, as described by the druids of CARE.

- Reread Reldo's postbag letter on Charos, and the novels.

- Kinshra are up to something.

- Alas, no Anlaf.

- Zarador the ourg commands enough influence amongst Bandosians to be able to lead them, if need be.

- Arposandra has a new ambassador, who, rather than looking like Ambassador Laneel, looks like a mix of Glouphrie and Glough. Also, Narnode had very little to say about his presence, oddly enough. But then also Mary Rancour didn't seem to notice Burthorpe's enemies, Sir Amik and Lord Daquarius, were present.

- Zanik can temporarily leave Soul Wars. Miniquest with her visiting Dorgesh-Kaan please?

- Memory of Sliske uses fire strike. Please. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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16-May-2019 07:06:47

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