RuneScape Forum Archive | There Was No Naragi "Genocide"

Hazeel

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If some Naragi had followed Saradomin, surely he would have taken them with him when he left the planet...and with that, there would still be some Naragi today. So either none of them joined Saradomin or he's a bigger jerk than I thought and didn't take any with him. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

27-Jan-2017 22:37:17

Maiden China

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When there's any sort of major upset in an area, the people who live in that area are going to find it very difficult to *really* know what's going on. They're not watching the news, they're hearing from other people what happened, exaggerated and incomplete stories usually (not maliciously so, but just from having biases and seeing what you want to see). The good guys look like the bad guys, the bad guys seem like the good guys, and neither side is really good or bad at all

so (nearly) everything guthix is saying about the wars in his memories could well be nonsense Carn

28-Jan-2017 01:40:02

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Lord Pyro I

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Nonsense, Guthix ascended to Godhood by the end of the war, I'm certain he could then look round the entire planet and see the truth of what had occurred.

Ultimately Saradomin's arrival brought about the extinction of every single species on that planet, Genocide doesn't even begin to cover it. Moreover not only did he actively partake in much of the destruction personally he did not take any of the logical actions that could have saved the planet.

Tuska was after the crown and from the Airut Saradomin had plenty of warning of her immanent arrival, why not lead her away? "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

#WarIsComing

28-Jan-2017 13:42:01

Padomenes

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Lord Pyro I said :
Nonsense, Guthix ascended to Godhood by the end of the war, I'm certain he could then look round the entire planet and see the truth of what had occurred.

Ultimately Saradomin's arrival brought about the extinction of every single species on that planet, Genocide doesn't even begin to cover it. Moreover not only did he actively partake in much of the destruction personally he did not take any of the logical actions that could have saved the planet.

Tuska was after the crown and from the Airut Saradomin had plenty of warning of her immanent arrival, why not lead her away? Because he isn't a 'cuck' like you who "turns the other cheek" to injustice. He wanted to fight Tuska and get rid of her.

Genocide or for an action to be bad requires clear cut intent to wipe out all the species. Its not Saradomin's fault the other gods wanted to come, hell he even tried to fight them off but was not strong enough to do it and failed.

So he TRIED those actions but failed. There is no proof to hint he did "much of the destruction", only a single city then realized what he did was wrong and tried to make up for it. You are blaming him for everything the other gods caused that he was not strong enough to stop alone. It was the other gods' actions that lead to the extinction of the Naragi long after Saradomin was gone.

Even if he "lead her away" but failed she would still wreck the planet.

Hazeel said :
If some Naragi had followed Saradomin, surely he would have taken them with him when he left the planet...and with that, there would still be some Naragi today. So either none of them joined Saradomin or he's a bigger jerk than I thought and didn't take any with him. Do you know how much power/energy it takes to open a portal from one world to the other? Even Zaros needed to use the power/energy of another god to open one more portal for the others after he arrived?

28-Jan-2017 16:25:46 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2017 16:30:53 by Padomenes

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Giras

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^ So according to Pedomenes, the definition of a "cuck" is having the foresight to understand that a duel between gods would catch a huge number of innocents in the crossfire. He could've have easily lured Tuska away to a plane that was void of life and fought her there, but Saradomin CHOSE to fight on a plane that might've had his supporters on it.

I also recall you claiming that the destruction of Askroth didn't kill anyone! You don't march an army in war across a world for centuries if you didn't kill anyone and do a lot of damage! If Saradomin didn't destroy Naragun then who did? Tuska? She was swiftly driven off and the situation on Naragun was bad enough that the Naragi thought that she might be their savior from Saradomin. Skargaroth? He's a hunter, not a ruler. Guthix? I wouldn't put it past you to accuse him. But he couldn't have been responsible because he doesn't go on rampages like Saradomin, hell...he didn't even kill Saradomin in revenge for his people! That leaves only

one possible suspect

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I'm no one's servant!

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28-Jan-2017 16:48:23

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2005

Wahisietel

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It's worth noting that IIRC Jagex said ages ago that Naragi years =/= our years, and that Naragi live about as long as humans. So "a MEAGRE few centuries" would most likely just mean "a meagre few years".

Saradomin has issues but he isn't a psychopath, or even a sociopath. He would have no reason to hunt down and kill innocent Naragi when he would have nothing to gain from doing so. Post-Askroth, he likely only fought the Naragi who attempted to fight back against him, and either tried to convert or left alone the rest.

Personally I subscribe to the theory that Tuska wasn't attracted by the crown, and was on her way to Naragun before Saradomin got there. Saradomin knew she was coming, and tried to mobilise the Naragi to fight against her. When they refused, he tried Garlandia strats - but to a much bigger degree. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

28-Jan-2017 16:57:54 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2017 17:01:41 by Wahisietel

Hazeel

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Wahisietel said :
It's worth noting that IIRC Jagex said ages ago that Naragi years =/= our years, and that Naragi live about as long as humans. So "a MEAGRE few centuries" would most likely just mean "a meagre few years".

I recall a player theorizing that, but I don't recall any J Mods backing it up. Do you have a source for that? For it to be possible, a year would have to be...oh...3-4 days. I know this is a fantasy game, but that's so unfeasible and outlandishly spits in the face of physics that it's practically cartoonish. Not to mention, I can't imagine any culture deciding their years would be shorter than their weeks, regardless of the actual planetary rotation.

More importantly, that would mean the entire Naragun God War lasted only a few years, which is just ridiculous. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Jan-2017 17:28:22

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Wahisietel

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I was only able to find these from the Harbingers of Tuska FAQ off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure other stuff was in a Q&A or something, which would not be as easy to find. I distinctly remember Naragi lifespans being compared to humans at some point.
Original message details are unavailable.
Q: What happened to Kaigi? Did they make it through the portal with the other Naragi or did they die in the hands of the Airut?
Mod Osborne: The naragi are not especially long-lived, so the chances of her being alive are virtually zero. I would love to finish her story though - look out for other airut-related stories in the future.
Q: Is one year in the Naragi homeworld the same duration same as one year in Gielinor?
Mod Osborne: It's very unlikely. Planets rarely share the same calendar.

One possibility I haven't seen mentioned yet: It's very possible that Saradomin was not the first god to arrive on Naragun, just the first in Guthix's region. Guthix himself indicates during The World Wakes that Saradomin, Tuska and Skargaroth were not the only gods to arrive, and even that It would make sense for him to be so militant if there was already the army of another god on the other side of the planet. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

28-Jan-2017 17:48:25 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2017 17:56:22 by Wahisietel

Padomenes

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Giras said :
^ So according to Pedomenes, the definition of a "cuck" is having the foresight to understand that a duel between gods would catch a huge number of innocents in the crossfire. He could've have easily lured Tuska away to a plane that was void of life and fought her there, but Saradomin CHOSE to fight on a plane that might've had his supporters on it.

I also recall you claiming that the destruction of Askroth didn't kill anyone! You don't march an army in war across a world for centuries if you didn't kill anyone and do a lot of damage! If Saradomin didn't destroy Naragun then who did? Tuska? She was swiftly driven off and the situation on Naragun was bad enough that the Naragi thought that she might be their savior from Saradomin. Skargaroth? He's a hunter, not a ruler. Guthix? I wouldn't put it past you to accuse him. But he couldn't have been responsible because he doesn't go on rampages like Saradomin, hell...he didn't even kill Saradomin in revenge for his people! That leaves only

one possible suspect

. Tuska would have also brought her followers which needed to be fought off by Saradomin's when they were in the battle, he thought he could win and end her right there and then.

It did from collateral damage or during the fit but that was the only thing his proven to have done. You forget how Guthix mentions the massive amount of damage Tuska can do to a planet's Anima.

You are suggesting that Saradomin when he was heavily wounded close to death clicked his fingers saying "hocus pocus" and magically made all of naragun die then explode.

28-Jan-2017 17:51:03 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2017 17:57:05 by Padomenes

Hazeel

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The way it's worded, though, it doesn't sound like they're all too sure or the difference isn't that big. But let's say the Naragun calandar had...oh...90 days. It wouldn't be so green and lush for starters. You could make an argument that the Auspah planet, Infernus, or "Zamorak's Planet" (where Moia found him) have a significantly shorter calander because that the fiery atmosphere reflects that. More realistically, we're probably speaking a difference in days--i.e. 354 day calendar.

Narratively, though, while the Naragi don't necessary need long lifespans like the Mahjarrat, they do they decent lifespans for Guthix and his daughter to survive a God War--or at least for her to survive until near the end, which calls for a lifespan of at least a thousand years. That's really not that long to be honest, humans just have an incredibly short lifespan whether you look at it through fantasy or reality...it's only more pronounced in fantasy where other creatures have a decent lifespan. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Jan-2017 17:57:10

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