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Hazeel

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SixOfOne said :
Yes, he wouldn't have the stone or staff in the actual fight but he has gained power from both of those items. He did use the stone, but for knowledge, not power. So, after MPD and before CoM.

Well you said it yourself, he used the stone for knowledge, not power....so he wouldn't have gained power from the stone and the staff doesn't do it on its own--though he did use it to kill Guthix and gain power so, again, a bit of a moot point. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

30-Jan-2017 19:41:39

SixOfOne
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Hazeel said :
SixOfOne said :
Yes, he wouldn't have the stone or staff in the actual fight but he has gained power from both of those items. He did use the stone, but for knowledge, not power. So, after MPD and before CoM.

Well you said it yourself, he used the stone for knowledge, not power....so he wouldn't have gained power from the stone and the staff doesn't do it on its own--though he did use it to kill Guthix and gain power so, again, a bit of a moot point.

We know he gains at least some power anyway. He moves from T4 to T2 on the mahjarrat tier list and is on the cusp of ascending to Godhood. The staff also does provide power by itself just not the same amount as the stone does. This is evidenced by both Lucien and the dialogue from the Guardians of Armadyl. At the end of the day, Sliske is more powerful in MPD than he was in RotM. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

30-Jan-2017 20:27:19

Raleirosen

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Darc Oejder said :
He does use the stone for power since Strisath calls him false user not stonetoucher. I don't think he used it too much though. Did I miss something? It's been noted countless times that Strisath could've been referring to almost anyone in the room (read: hyperbole) when he said that. Why are you citing that as evidence of Sliske's false using when it's been discredited since MPD's release? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

30-Jan-2017 22:39:44 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2017 00:00:05 by Raleirosen

Derack
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Raleirosen said :
Darc Oejder said :
He does use the stone for power since Strisath calls him false user not stonetoucher. I don't think he used it too much though. Did I miss something? It's been noted countless times that Strisath could've been referring to almost anyone in the room when he said that. Why are you citing that as evidence of Sliske's false using when it's been discredited since MPD's release?


MPD.
Strisath: Argh! You'll pay for this, false user!

Sliske: Angry thing, isn't he? Those of you who were paying attention will have noticed him calling me a 'false user'.

Sliske: While I don't like being referred to as 'false', it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

FOTG.

Sliske: Oh, fine, seeing it was such a good question. Yes, I have made use of it... but I am not making continual use of it. We both witnessed how that plays out, courtesy of Lucien. The Stone has more uses than simply transferring power - though we both have used it for such. It can also transfer knowledge! A much smaller transgression in the rage-addled minds of the dragonkin. I believe this to be how Guthix himself used the Stone - for knowledge, not power. Perhaps that is the difference between a 'false user' and a 'stonetoucher'.

Unless Sliske used it so much for knowledge he became a 'false' one". But, we don't know at who Strisath was looking at whe he said it, only Saradoughman and Zimzam are the one true false users.

Just wanting to throw this out, because i'm Talon.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

30-Jan-2017 23:18:43

SixOfOne
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Derack said :
Raleirosen said :
Darc Oejder said :
He does use the stone for power since Strisath calls him false user not stonetoucher. I don't think he used it too much though. Did I miss something? It's been noted countless times that Strisath could've been referring to almost anyone in the room when he said that. Why are you citing that as evidence of Sliske's false using when it's been discredited since MPD's release?


MPD.
Strisath: Argh! You'll pay for this, false user!

Sliske: Angry thing, isn't he? Those of you who were paying attention will have noticed him calling me a 'false user'.

Sliske: While I don't like being referred to as 'false', it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

FOTG.

Sliske: Oh, fine, seeing it was such a good question. Yes, I have made use of it... but I am not making continual use of it. We both witnessed how that plays out, courtesy of Lucien. The Stone has more uses than simply transferring power - though we both have used it for such. It can also transfer knowledge! A much smaller transgression in the rage-addled minds of the dragonkin. I believe this to be how Guthix himself used the Stone - for knowledge, not power. Perhaps that is the difference between a 'false user' and a 'stonetoucher'.

Unless Sliske used it so much for knowledge he became a 'false' one". But, we don't know at who Strisath was looking at whe he said it, only Saradoughman and Zimzam are the one true false users.

Just wanting to throw this out, because i'm Talon.

The key part of everything you've just said is

Sliske: "The Stone has more uses than simply transferring power - though we (Himself and Lucien) both have used it for such"

So we know Sliske did use the stone for power, but it is likely that he used it more for knowledge. However, that last part is simple speculation. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

31-Jan-2017 00:03:08

Raleirosen

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Darc Oejder said :
Raleirosen, as I said he used it for power though not much. He admited as much. Well, my point of contention was that you said Strisath called him a false user, which is highly questionable.

The distinction between false user/stonetoucher is still pretty unclear, unless you want to take Sliske at his word. I used to think that it was completely binary, but it seems like Jagex wants to make it a little more subtle. Either way I don't think Sliske is considered a false user. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

01-Feb-2017 04:37:35 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2017 04:38:20 by Raleirosen

Maiden China

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Raleirosen said :
You do realize that Nabanik is a human disguise, right... the mannerisms and attitudes he adopts while wearing a mask are very obviously not going to correspond with his genuine beliefs. nabanik might be a mask for other people, but there's no need to wear a mask with the player

ali the wise doesn't change much when he becomes wahisietel, and he was genuinely trying to keep his mahjarrat-ness a secret, whereas nabanik isn't (for a very brief time he is, yes, but very, very brief) Cthris said :
Wasn't necessarily an adventurer. You're reading between the lines. was quite probably an adventurer given his mannerisms... 'real' citizens of gieinor don't randomly traipse into ancient pyramids past a great many traps and monsters just to laugh at someone Cthris said :
The identity of said visitor might even be of importance, the knowledge of Azzandra's whereabouts is rare. no-one who gets their face melted off in their first episode is ever of any importance Big Storms said :
To be honest, I ship them =p

They just have one of those typical hate-love relationships ;)
Azzanadra's reaction? Simply due to having feelings for Moia he has never felt before, which he tries to sweep under the rug by making his statements. He is simply scared for cooties =p

Yes I am just kidding, but the idea is fun nonetheless =) I did also, that is... why i am upset. they are my two favourite mahjarrat (even if moia's a zamorakian)
same with enakhra and akthanaos although I dislike them individually Faledak said :
It's a video game, guys. Don't forget that. Get over your fanatical fanboy'ism and stop taking things too seriously. This applies to every party so far pretty much. what is real? we all died three thousand years ago and nothing we did in our lives was of any consequence Carn

03-Feb-2017 04:37:15

Raleirosen

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Maiden China said :
nabanik might be a mask for other people, but there's no need to wear a mask with the player

ali the wise doesn't change much when he becomes wahisietel, and he was genuinely trying to keep his mahjarrat-ness a secret, whereas nabanik isn't (for a very brief time he is, yes, but very, very brief) The Wahi comparison is meaningless, he's a different Mahjarrat and he's going to act differently. Azzanadra, when he used the Nabanik disguise, had no reason to be 100% up front with the player; just because we freed him doesn't make us his best friend. That's why any differences between Nabanik and Azzanadra can easily be attributed to subterfuge, rather than "omg jamflex y u change azzy". Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

03-Feb-2017 06:58:29

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