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Hazeel

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SixOfOne said :
Both Azzanadra and Zamorak (as a mahjarrat) would destroy the player.


No they wouldn't. Even with the CoM boost.

SixOfOne said :
If we take the two main examples of Azzanadras' power in the lore it's him making a shield to protect from a god nuke and easily destroying an army.


Given that Dragonkin are on par with (if not stronger than) Tumeken, then even Icthlarin can make a shield against a God's power and Sliske rekt him easily.

Also, since you're brining up out of game lore, I'll point out that Azzanadra himself said any Mahjarrat could do this. Hell, seeing what constitutes as a Saradominist army, I'd say most relatively inexperienced adventurers could do this.

SixOfOne said :
He's strong enough to make it so that saradominists and zamorakians team up against him.


The sad thing is, even when his captors got hit power, they were incredibly easy.
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22-Dec-2016 17:15:55

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Hazeel said :


SixOfOne said :
He's strong enough to make it so that saradominists and zamorakians team up against him.


The sad thing is, even when his captors got hit power, they were incredibly easy.


Lets be honest here its not like Azzanadra was fighting solo against 2 armies, unless the game says otherwise (which I'm not sure), we must assume that Azzanadra had an army of his own, and the main reason 2 armies joined to defeat him was his strategic prowess, not his raw power, unless of course the game says otherwise.
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22-Dec-2016 17:32:20

SixOfOne
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How did Sliske reck Icthlarin? By making him revert to a dog? That was the Stone of Jas, not Sliske. The power of the dragonkin varies depending on how much the stone is used. They are stronger in Rotm than they are at the beginning of Mpd. Also Icthlarin is a demi-god so that is well within his capabilities. It can be disputed whether Geilinor was actually a god anyway. The important thing about Azzanadras' shield is not that it protected against the nuke, but the fact that it covered an awful lot of people. To make a shield covering 1 person is one thing, 100 people is another. In my opinion, pre-god Zamorak and Azzanadra should destroy the player. The player character is not that powerful in my opinion.

I do believe it was stated that he was fighting alone. The point I'm trying to get at though is not that the guardians of the crystals were weak (they are though) it's more that the saradominsts and zamorakians joined forces during the godwars specifically to defeat Azzanadra. He is seen to be more of a threat.

I personally feel that they Jagex should have made the mahjarrat consistently much more powerful than the player to bring them in line with how they are talked about during the lore. Especially after Rotm.
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22-Dec-2016 17:34:31 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 17:40:00 by SixOfOne

Hazeel

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SixOfOne said :
How did Sliske reck Icthlarin?


By kicking the crap out of him in MPD.

SixOfOne said :
The power of the dragonkin varies depending on how much the stone is used. They are stronger in Rotm than they are at the beginning of Mpd.


You need to brush up on your lore. They continuously get power as the stone is used. By the time the sixth age begins, they're stated to be roughly on par with a T5 God.

SixOfOne said :
In my opinion, pre-god Zamorak and Azzanadra should destroy the player.


Funny, people told me the same thing about Sliske. I beat him, his army, and his strongest wights in one boss fight.

SixOfOne said :
The player character is not that powerful in my opinion.


Don't lump the rest of us in with you.
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22-Dec-2016 17:38:32 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 17:39:46 by Hazeel

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I may well need to brush up on my lore and it's been a very long time since I have gone over the story of mpd. So I fully accept that. Those are my opinions and are thus subjective. I personally hate stories where the Player is somehow able to beat beings that according to pre-established lore should be stronger than them. For me it's bad story telling. That's not me saying that your opinion is wrong though. It's currently my opinion that Sliske wanted and let us win that fight which to me fits with the game and satisfies my own opinions.

Let's just say that we'll agree to disagree in future
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22-Dec-2016 17:44:48 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 17:55:05 by SixOfOne

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SixOfOne said :
I may well need to brush up on my lore and it's been a very long time since I have gone over the story of mpd. So I fully accept that. Those are my opinions and are thus subjective. I personally hate stories where the Player is somehow able to beat beings that according to pre-established lore should be stronger than them. For me it's bad story telling. That's not me saying that your opinion is wrong though. It's currently my opinion that Sliske wanted and let us win that fight which to me fits with the game and satisfies my own opinions.

I disagree its common for stories to get over exaggerated with time, like the betrayal of Zaros story and the diff versions we heard of it, so hearing stories of how x character is more powerful than what he actually is kinda normal, specially with stories from ages ago.
And so far mahjarrat haven't proven to live up to the myth ingame, they are no diff than the other prominent commanders of gods, like Zilyana or Krill so far.

22-Dec-2016 17:56:38

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Well if you presented to me, a fully fledged human being, with a hybrid of say, half human half monkey, and it called itself the future of my species, I'd consider it an abomination worth destroying too.

Mahjarrat are very proud of what they are, None of this crossbreeding nonsense flies even with Moias own faction. Bilrach is the closest thing to tolerance she has.

I don't particularly hate Moia, But she is an abnormality like it or not.
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22-Dec-2016 18:13:38 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 18:15:32 by Zulkir

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SixOfOne said :
I may well need to brush up on my lore and it's been a very long time since I have gone over the story of mpd. So I fully accept that. Those are my opinions and are thus subjective. I personally hate stories where the Player is somehow able to beat beings that according to pre-established lore should be stronger than them. For me it's bad story telling. That's not me saying that your opinion is wrong though. It's currently my opinion that Sliske wanted and let us win that fight which to me fits with the game and satisfies my own opinions.

Let's just say that we'll agree to disagree in future
In normal circumstances most monsters will roll over a human and not even notice they've done it. Then you get highly trained individuals with the right tools and they can be a handful, but not all that full on challenge wise.

Then there are those who will carry a squad and push them onwards and reach past what they could normally have achieved. There are some exceptional people where an antagonist will find they reached in to grab a buzz saw.

By fair means or foul the Adventurer has climbed a pile of corpses to become a force to be reckoned with. We have yet to see where Moia falls on this scale. Azzy might find that the human Moia will quiet cheerfully wield the Mahjarrat Moia to bludgeon him into an early demise.

And if Azzy ever did manage to pressure Zimzam into pushing Moia out of his ranks, well the Godless welcome all sorts. ;)

But I can see Azzy and Moia coming to blows..Especially if she has any kids...I'd love to see his face if she handed him his ass in short order ^_^
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22-Dec-2016 18:14:55 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 18:22:39 by Solanumtinkr

Hazeel

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Every justification so far relies on comparing humans to animals. And I don't disagree with the claim behind Azzanadra's view, but if he views humans as animals, then he's definitely a bigot. XD

Ancient Drew said :
What would Azzanadra say if he knew that Moia was being perpetually abused by Lucien?


"Good."
Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

22-Dec-2016 18:27:59

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