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Hazeel

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AesirWarrior said :
Mahjarrat tiers aren't just about magical might though. IIRC they're also about political power.


Which Azzanadra has far more of than Sliske who, if anything, lost all political power among the Mahjarrat once he left his only remaining allies.

Dan-i-el said :
Azzanadra is just a traditional Mahjarrat.
He's only offended by Moia because he wants to protect Mahjarrat culture.


He's shown no love for Mahjarrat culture. He was happy to spit on it and see it wither away and die in the 2nd age.

Dan-i-el said :
A point I'd like to make alongside this, is that Azzanadra didn't seem like himself during the quest. Azzanadra seemed rather angry, in a way like he was struggling to cope with something.


That's how he's always been.

The Mather1 said :
Hazeel, you're just straight up ignoring lore here. A firebreath from a dragonkin is nowhere near the power of a god spending all his energy in a self-destructive blast.


You're probably right, though this is really just assumption on your part. For all we know, Tumeken's explosion was no stronger than an ordinary blast and simply more wide spread. How much more powerful it is really is guesswork, not lore.

The Mather1 said :
Azzanadra is canonically the most powerful Mahjarrat still alive (and still Mahjarrat), and has been so since Temekel's death.


Zamorak, Lucien, and Sliske all surpassed him. The difference is so huge that Zamorak swatted him away like a fly and he had to call on Zaros' power, not his own, to fight Lucien and still couldn't take him down.

The Mather1 said :
His power is such that he is comparable to Nex at the peak of combat, when even the gods are said to fear her.


I'm afraid it is you who is ignoring lore. Do you know why they "feared her"?
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22-Dec-2016 22:46:57

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I think The Mather1 meant in terms of mahjarrat not using elder artefacts, but apart from that you're completely correct. I would say 'swatted like a fly' is a bit strong though. Zamorak flings Azzy away using the staff. In the end of the cutscene Azzy is back up completely fine.

I also think we can probably make a solid assumption that Tumeken's nuke, which formed the kharidian desert is most likely stronger than a dragonkins breath.
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22-Dec-2016 23:31:35 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 23:33:14 by SixOfOne

Hazeel

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SixOfOne said :
I think The Mather1 meant in terms of mahjarrat not using elder artefacts, but apart from that you're completely correct.


Fair enough, but since Sliske does have the staff (or did until we killed him), that's a bit of a moot point isn't it?
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23-Dec-2016 00:27:28

SixOfOne
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Hazeel said :
SixOfOne said :
I think The Mather1 meant in terms of mahjarrat not using elder artefacts, but apart from that you're completely correct.


Fair enough, but since Sliske does have the staff (or did until we killed him), that's a bit of a moot point isn't it?


Not necessarily as Jmods have said that the strongest mortal character in game would be decided in a straight up fight between Azzy and Sliske. This is whilst Sliske has the staff and stone and before CoM.
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23-Dec-2016 00:54:51

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Judging by how he died, it's possible that Sliske ascended to godhood outright at some point. in which case, he would probably be stronger than Azzanadra.

Keep in mind, when we fight Sliske in Children of Mah, he would be presumably weakened from summoning Wights and fighting Zaros and Seren.
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23-Dec-2016 01:49:39 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2016 01:50:22 by Wahisietel

Hazeel

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Given that they don't join us when Sliske enters the fight, I figured Zaros and Seren were fighting wights. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Dec-2016 02:03:47

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Darc Oejder said :
I am also dissapointed in Azzanadra, for him to judge Moia like that just because she is a hybrid is rascism.
in real life, racism is bad.
in runescape, racism is a necessity. So in a runescape context, saying something 'is racism' doesn't mean anything, it's like seeing a lake and being all 'this is a lake'. well no duh it's a lake

I'm not happy about it though, I feel like azzanadra hasnt been azzanadra since rotm... he needs to be more nabanik and less azzanadra because azzanadra seems to be a humourless uninteresting puppet, whereas nabanik is hilarious, a good friend, and someone who understands that non-mahjarrat are people too

that being said, his reaction makes some degree of sense, I just wished a mahjarrat I liked less had made it


when azzanadra fought lucien, he had missed several rituals, which isnt something you want to be doing as a mahjarrat. You miss one and you're pretty much dead if you join the next one (he spent about 3000 years in that pyramid, that's at least 5 missed rituals, probably 6 and it wasn't as if his power wasnt being used... the guardians of the gems were using it)
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29-Jan-2017 05:44:29 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2017 05:52:55 by Maiden China

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Maiden China said :
I'm not happy about it though, I feel like azzanadra hasnt been azzanadra since rotm... he needs to be more nabanik and less azzanadra because azzanadra seems to be a humourless uninteresting puppet, whereas nabanik is hilarious, a good friend, and someone who understands that non-mahjarrat are people too


Where have you been? Azzanadra has always been like this. In ToS--the first time you interact with him for more than a few seconds--he delights at the idea of innocent Saradominist bystanders getting killed by Zaros and finds humor in melting some random adventurer's face off simply for gloating. He showed no signs of individualism or personal desire--he was a puppet, a tool, and nothing more.
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29-Jan-2017 06:04:01

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Maiden China said :
I'm not happy about it though, I feel like azzanadra hasnt been azzanadra since rotm... he needs to be more nabanik and less azzanadra because azzanadra seems to be a humourless uninteresting puppet, whereas nabanik is hilarious, a good friend, and someone who understands that non-mahjarrat are people too
You do realize that Nabanik is a human disguise, right... the mannerisms and attitudes he adopts while wearing a mask are very obviously not going to correspond with his genuine beliefs.
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29-Jan-2017 07:55:57

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