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Padomenes

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Zack3 said :
Sorry but I find it hard to believe Saradomin cares about his followers when he abandoned his followers in Teragard and never came again to even see how they are. Really? You have never read his explanation or thoughts on Teragard have you. He found that he had too many places to govern and lost time/motivation to run it because he felt it was alright without him. And his followers running it. As I said Saradomin does not trust you if you treat him badly and the positive lore is locked from you to see. You didn't side with him, but if you did you get to see that is concerned and worried for you when greeting at the end. Saradomin expressed I think that he would be interested to visit Teragard again if you ask him to see how it's doing.

NotFishing said :
To you You never explained why entire races went extinct in the god wars and how Juna mentioned every day of life was a struggle to survive for all including civilians. Countless of them did from the war's effects. Extinction of species still happen in the runescape universe without intent of genocide. Nope it's a matter for an eye for an eye. If somebody is bad to you then be bad back to them, but if they are nice then return the favour. Basic rules for survival too.

What if the troops went in to loot or take the food from civilians in order to feed themselves and they were really exhausted or starved then died during migration attempts?

If you are an ass to someone they will most likely return the favour and are going to trust you less obviously.

22-Dec-2016 04:03:26 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 04:09:30 by Padomenes

NotFishing

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NotFishing said :
To you You never explained why entire races went extinct in the god wars[/quote]

Can you?

Also I did provide my own theory - that they actively hunted down by the more aggressive gods. But all theories on the god wars are ultimately nothing more than speculation.

Padomenes said :
Countless of them did

But most of the races pulled through in the end, didn't they?

Padomenes said :
Nope it's a matter for an eye for an eye.

That's it. I'm done. If you think eye for an eye is a legitimate philosophy, especially in regards to the preservation of an entire race, then you are not worth arguing with. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

22-Dec-2016 04:10:45 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 04:11:41 by NotFishing

Zack3

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NotFishing said :
Just because they aren't his followers, doesn't mean he is justified in letting them die. If you only help people who help you, you are selfish.

Finally, even if the natives of New Domina did have a highly militaristic population, there are still children who don't know how to fight and would not be put on the front lines. And I would like to go back to my point about surrendering.

As for the other races that went extinct in the God Wars... again, that would have been either deliberate as well, or due to irresponsible decisions on behalf of the gods who led them and the gods who killed them. Bandos and Zamorak were not above genocide. I could easily see them hunting the Centaurs to extinction because they served Saradomin.

You don't 'accidentally' wipe out an entire race.

Actually would like to point out that Zammy ordered the furies to hunt down the illujanka after the betrayal for not helping him, zammy also took part in the chtonian Genocide of infernus, and unintentionally caused the genocide of aviansies (but wont count it cause it wasnt his aim), so we got evidence of Zammy aiming to eliminate the last of the dragon riders as an example of Genocide, and as u said Bandos has a history of doing Genocide for fun like how he killed all the members of his own planet, and the ones from yubiusk, so as u said it is extremely likely Bandos did Genocide in Gielinor just for fun.
Finally both Saradomin and Zamorak and most likely other factions, participated in the Zarosian Genocide.
Oh also there is hints that Zaros caused the genocide of Chars race. There has been many cases of intentional Genocide which involved a faction going out of their way to exterminate even civilians. Mostly from Bandos part though

22-Dec-2016 04:15:12

Padomenes

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NotFishing said :
NotFishing said :
To you You never explained why entire races went extinct in the god wars

Can you?

Also I did provide my own theory - that they actively hunted down by the more aggressive gods. But all theories on the god wars are ultimately nothing more than speculation.

Padomenes said :
Countless of them did

But most of the races pulled through in the end, didn't they?

Padomenes said :
Nope it's a matter for an eye for an eye.

That's it. I'm done. If you think eye for an eye is a legitimate philosophy you are not worth arguing with.[/quote]And what tactical advantage would those gods have in the war for hunting down races?

Saradomin is a human, driven by feelings and why should you expect anything good in return if you treat somebody bad? If you be an asshole for long to any human you will find that they will do the same to you, or might even attack you. Regardless of whether they are in leadership or not.

Nope but its more realistic when it comes to survival against aggression. If you think "turn the other cheek" or "be killed" in a "kill or be killed" scenario give an example of it ever working.

No, half of the races did not make it. As lore states many and heaps of races became extinct during the god wars. Very few of the light creatures survived whom the last exist in Juna's cavern.

In how war is fought in runescape, you forget also it involves the use of magic that can hit long distances canonically which can kill civilians in the surrounding area unwittingly if the blast radius involves them with many mages doing it. When a god uses magic the devastation can be to the level of a nuke and affect the land + how things grow. Look how fragile a village was to Zamorak's fire when he set it ablaze.

The civilization of Uzer and its people went completely extinct f

22-Dec-2016 04:18:00 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 04:21:51 by Padomenes

Zack3

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Padomenes said :
Zack3 said :
Sorry but I find it hard to believe Saradomin cares about his followers when he abandoned his followers in Teragard and never came again to even see how they are. Really? You have never read his explanation or thoughts on Teragard have you. He found that he had too many places to govern and lost time/motivation to run it because he felt it was alright without him. And his followers running it.

Exactly he didn't care, he basically had a millennia to check on them at least once and he never did.

Also as was mentioned before notfishing: I shouldn't have to side with him in order to see the positives. He's the one trying to win me over, not the other way around.

22-Dec-2016 04:21:29

Zack3

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NotFishing said :
I'm not sure how any of that is relevant to Saradomin, Zack. We've already been over this on a different thread.
Its an explantion about how the different Races in Gielinor could have been targeted for genocide including civilians, that post wasn't directed at Saradomin.

22-Dec-2016 04:23:12

Padomenes

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Zack3 said :
Padomenes said :
Zack3 said :
Sorry but I find it hard to believe Saradomin cares about his followers when he abandoned his followers in Teragard and never came again to even see how they are. Really? You have never read his explanation or thoughts on Teragard have you. He found that he had too many places to govern and lost time/motivation to run it because he felt it was alright without him. And his followers running it.

Exactly he didn't care, he basically had a millennia to check on them at least once and he never did.

Also as was mentioned before notfishing: I shouldn't have to side with him in order to see the positives. He's the one trying to win me over, not the other way around. But thats the choice of the developers, his a human and driven by feelings/emotions. Just like with humans in general, including the ones not in leadership positions you will find that if you treat them badly they return it or even see you as an enemy/somebody who can't be trusted. Thus are less likely to be open to you about any things such as insecurities.

He didn't intend to "abandon" them, as he said he became too busy with all the other stuff his running. Saradomin also does not want to adopt the model that Zaros used for allowing others to run things for him.

22-Dec-2016 04:23:13 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 04:24:18 by Padomenes

Zack3

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Padomenes said :
Zack3 said :
Padomenes said :
Zack3 said :
Sorry but I find it hard to believe Saradomin cares about his followers when he abandoned his followers in Teragard and never came again to even see how they are. Really? You have never read his explanation or thoughts on Teragard have you. He found that he had too many places to govern and lost time/motivation to run it because he felt it was alright without him. And his followers running it.

Exactly he didn't care, he basically had a millennia to check on them at least once and he never did.

Also as was mentioned before notfishing: I shouldn't have to side with him in order to see the positives. He's the one trying to win me over, not the other way around. But thats the choice of the developers, his a human and driven by feelings/emotions. Just like with humans in general, including the ones not in leadership positions you will find that if you treat them badly they return it or even see you as an enemy/somebody who can't be trusted. Thus are less likely to be open to you about any things such as insecurities.

He didn't intend to "abandon" them, as he said he became too busy with all the other stuff his running. Saradomin also does not want to adopt the model that Zaros used for allowing others to run things for him.

Again he had a millennia to at least check on them once, yet he never did, how am I expected to believe he cares about his followers when he doesn't even bothers to check on them in that amount of time, not to mention there has been hints that teragard might have turned worse since he left, but lets ignore that point for now since there isn't enough evidence for this point.

22-Dec-2016 04:28:50

Padomenes

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Also for his "harsh approach" to enemies think of somebody who might finish off a murderer/home invader that breaks into their home after they are incapacitated so they can't be a threat, that is his current approach to aggression. Or uses more force than necessary that accidentally ends up doing so. Another analogy is a cop killing somebody who reaches into their pockets. Regardless the one who does these things is more likely to survive despite it being "bad".

Its not out of malice necessarily but out of a fear for insecurity from negative experiences related to survival, this is the best analogy for Saradomin's "flaw" according to the full picture.

22-Dec-2016 04:30:06 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 04:33:55 by Padomenes

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