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Lord Drakan
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Balustan said :
Runes Rath said :
Balustan said :
Nowhere was it ever said the Zamorakians and Saradominists were in an Alliance. They simply may have been attacking at the same time possibly from very different angles given the size of Senntisten. Wahi tried to focus their attention on each other but again not necessarily an Alliance. I find it hard to believe the Alliance would have lasted anyway given the Zarosians abandoned the city and so they would have fought over it anyway.

I'm pretty sure several quests and Azzanadra have stated that Saradomin and Zamorak had a very, very tentative alliance that existed solely for the purpose of destroying whatever remained of Zaros's empire. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can even ask Zaros a little about this yourself. I'll take a trek to Freneskae and see what he says.

Anyways, in DAT: There's even a cutscene in Forinthry when Zamorak is being confronted by Armadyl, Saradomin and Bandos just before Zamorak unleashes the Stone's power and creates the Wilderness and awakens Guthix. Zamorak pretty much says, "You stabbed me as soon as your knife could find my back," or something along those lines.

So I'm fairly sure it's cannon that they had a (weak) alliance for the sake of plundering and erasing Zaros's ancient empire. It obviously didn't last, but it existed.

I'm not saying they weren't but for that particular point in history they may or may not have been in an Alliance. Given the city becomes Zamorakian and then the Saradominists burn it to the ground fairly soon after if we go by coin dates.

I'm not sure they had any Alliance beyond against Nex. Same target though but that he were also fighting each other throughout. Hard to say we don't have a lot of details.
Since Senntisten had fallen, I assume their alliance had also ended there. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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05-Feb-2016 13:16:50

Aig123
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Perhaps the Dragonkin were lured to Senntisten/Saranthium by a false user.
We know the Necrosy(r)tes would follow their targets to the edges of the Universe, such as V.

Saradomin and Zamorak kept the Stone to themselves.
The Kethsians, however, used the Stone prosperously to benefit their entire civilisation, not limited to a single leader, but a Conclave of Elders, Grand Mages and philosophers.

So what are the chances a Kethsian escaped to Gielinor via World Gate, and seeked out refuge at Senntisten/Saranthium, inevitably luring the Dragonkin?

12-Mar-2016 16:40:51

Lord Drakan
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Aig123 said :
Perhaps the Dragonkin were lured to Senntisten/Saranthium by a false user.
We know the Necrosy(r)tes would follow their targets to the edges of the Universe, such as V.

Saradomin and Zamorak kept the Stone to themselves.
The Kethsians, however, used the Stone prosperously to benefit their entire civilisation, not limited to a single leader, but a Conclave of Elders, Grand Mages and philosophers.

So what are the chances a Kethsian escaped to Gielinor via World Gate, and seeked out refuge at Senntisten/Saranthium, inevitably luring the Dragonkin?
The destruction of Kethsi would have occurred in the Second Age or prior, since we know the Stone to have been on RuneScape from the end of the Second Age onwards. Most likely theory is that "those who walk the higher Astral path" are the Kethsians that took the Stone from V7, then the Dragonkin ravaged Kethsi a while later and took the Stone back to RuneScape.

It's also likely, but still a theory, that Saradomin kept the Stone of Jas hidden in Hallowvale in the Third Age before moving it to the Fist of Guthix site after Drakan's invasion, after which Zamorak eventually found it. Perhaps, during Saradomin's move of the Stone, it was briefly kept in Saranthium at the very end of the Wars, after which the Dragonkin (following the banishment of all the False Users by Guthix) let out their rage upon Saranthium? Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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20-Mar-2016 11:53:49

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Well, for an entire city (and one that was apparently no small city, either) to disappear and nobody knowing what happened? There has to be a very powerful force responsible.. and with the young gods all gone at that point, we're looking at very few options. Dragonkin.. uhm.. that's the only powerful force I can think of, unless we're to believe it was Zamorakian forces from what we now call Morytania. A
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02-May-2016 06:50:14

Lord Drakan
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Sepulchre said :
Well, for an entire city (and one that was apparently no small city, either) to disappear and nobody knowing what happened? There has to be a very powerful force responsible.. and with the young gods all gone at that point, we're looking at very few options. Dragonkin.. uhm.. that's the only powerful force I can think of, unless we're to believe it was Zamorakian forces from what we now call Morytania.
Could've been Morytania in theory, but I reckon a vampyric invasion wouldn't randomly destroy one city then leave, whereas that's something the Dragonkin would do precisely. Not to mention we don't know what the Drakans were doing at the end of the God Wars, whereas we know that the Dragonkin were flying around destroying stuff. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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14-May-2016 11:05:31

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Around 3700ish of the Third Age, a Zamorakian-Saradominist alliance laid siege on one of the last remaining Zarosian hubs: the holy city of Senntisten. Their force was overwhelming and, despite the Mahjarrat Wahisietel's best effort to set them against each other, Senntisten's priest-king Dagroda had to order the city's immediate evacuation. As its inhabitants were either slaughtered or fled elsewhere, the city was taken over by the alliance.

Minor Nitpick: It was 100 generations after Zaros fell which could be anything from 2000 and above, not necessarily around 3700. Yes, there's a Zamorakian cok* dated 3740, but that only means he had the city *by that point*. -
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14-May-2016 14:19:00 - Last edited on 14-May-2016 14:19:36 by AesirWarrior

Sepulchre
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Lord Drakan said :
Sepulchre said :
Well, for an entire city (and one that was apparently no small city, either) to disappear and nobody knowing what happened? There has to be a very powerful force responsible.. and with the young gods all gone at that point, we're looking at very few options. Dragonkin.. uhm.. that's the only powerful force I can think of, unless we're to believe it was Zamorakian forces from what we now call Morytania.
Could've been Morytania in theory, but I reckon a vampyric invasion wouldn't randomly destroy one city then leave, whereas that's something the Dragonkin would do precisely. Not to mention we don't know what the Drakans were doing at the end of the God Wars, whereas we know that the Dragonkin were flying around destroying stuff. Which is why I think it was probably the Dragonkin. You could ask Kerapac if he knows anything about it, but he'd probably just say
"No." A
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16-May-2016 06:35:44

Lord Drakan
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AesirWarrior said :
Around 3700ish of the Third Age, a Zamorakian-Saradominist alliance laid siege on one of the last remaining Zarosian hubs: the holy city of Senntisten. Their force was overwhelming and, despite the Mahjarrat Wahisietel's best effort to set them against each other, Senntisten's priest-king Dagroda had to order the city's immediate evacuation. As its inhabitants were either slaughtered or fled elsewhere, the city was taken over by the alliance.

Minor Nitpick: It was 100 generations after Zaros fell which could be anything from 2000 and above, not necessarily around 3700. Yes, there's a Zamorakian cok* dated 3740, but that only means he had the city *by that point*.
That is what Dagroda wrote, yeah, but "a hundred" is almost certainly a figure of speech meaning "long". That said, you could of course be right. I believe it was stated, however, that Senntisten endured 'till the very end of the God Wars, when it was finally taken by Zamorakians. But records are few and far between, of course, so it's likely we'll never know. Therefore, we can state, without loss of generality, that Senntisten fell at some point prior to 3740 and it doesn't matter which. :P Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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16-May-2016 13:10:47

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I like this theory and it also can be some kind of revenge from the dragonkin, who where unable to kill Saradomin and then decided to burn his capital. EXP is not important, it's important to have fun and play with your friends. :) - Lopendebank3

31-Oct-2016 17:02:53

Lord Drakan
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Lopendebank3 said :
I like this theory and it also can be some kind of revenge from the dragonkin, who where unable to kill Saradomin and then decided to burn his capital.
Hm yes. Perhaps Saradomin would've "leaked" some Stone energy there, if he was there at all at any point? His only known usage of the Stone was at the Fist of Guthix site, though. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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