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This makes perfect sense to me! You stated that Zamorakians destroying Saranthium would also make sense. Yet the God Wars had just ended so Zamorakians destroying such an important Saradominist city wouldn't make as much sense to me as dragonkin doing it.

Perhaps the digsite can provide some more answers in the future? On a new digsite orientated quest we could perhaps find traces of the dragonkin? Would love to see such small bits of information to be scattered around the world.

06-Oct-2015 10:09:16

Lopendebank3
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It would be cool actually, and make dragonkin a kind of more serious treath. Also if the dragonkin would only attack small settlements, they wouldn't be a treath big enough to call robert the strong right? EXP is not important, it's important to have fun and play with your friends. :) - Lopendebank3

23-Dec-2015 17:56:04

Lord Drakan
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Lopendebank3 said :
It would be cool actually, and make dragonkin a kind of more serious treath. Also if the dragonkin would only attack small settlements, they wouldn't be a treath big enough to call robert the strong right?

Well, they are the next big villain after Lucien. Oh wait lolsixthage.
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24-Dec-2015 19:33:47

PyraTheAegis
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Lord Drakan said :
Lopendebank3 said :
It would be cool actually, and make dragonkin a kind of more serious treath. Also if the dragonkin would only attack small settlements, they wouldn't be a treath big enough to call robert the strong right?

Well, they are the next big villain after Lucien. Oh wait lolsixthage.
Eh the Dragonkin would have made terrible villains anyway no big loss.
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24-Dec-2015 21:10:43

Lord Drakan
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PyraTheAegis said :
Lord Drakan said :
Lopendebank3 said :
It would be cool actually, and make dragonkin a kind of more serious treath. Also if the dragonkin would only attack small settlements, they wouldn't be a treath big enough to call robert the strong right?

Well, they are the next big villain after Lucien. Oh wait lolsixthage.
Eh the Dragonkin would have made terrible villains anyway no big loss.

I think Paul's fairly good in that regard. ;) Better than Sliske anyway, he's the most out-of-character character atm. Apart from perhaps Nomad.
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30-Dec-2015 08:34:28

Runes Rath
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Balustan said :
Nowhere was it ever said the Zamorakians and Saradominists were in an Alliance. They simply may have been attacking at the same time possibly from very different angles given the size of Senntisten. Wahi tried to focus their attention on each other but again not necessarily an Alliance. I find it hard to believe the Alliance would have lasted anyway given the Zarosians abandoned the city and so they would have fought over it anyway.


I'm pretty sure several quests and Azzanadra have stated that Saradomin and Zamorak had a very, very tentative alliance that existed solely for the purpose of destroying whatever remained of Zaros's empire. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can even ask Zaros a little about this yourself. I'll take a trek to Freneskae and see what he says.

Anyways, in DAT: There's even a cutscene in Forinthry when Zamorak is being confronted by Armadyl, Saradomin and Bandos just before Zamorak unleashes the Stone's power and creates the Wilderness and awakens Guthix. Zamorak pretty much says, "You stabbed me as soon as your knife could find my back," or something along those lines.

So I'm fairly sure it's cannon that they had a (weak) alliance for the sake of plundering and erasing Zaros's ancient empire. It obviously didn't last, but it existed.
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28-Jan-2016 00:42:05

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@Runes Rath: Unfortunately, I can't see bringing up Sixth Age lore convincing him, simply because it's Sixth Age. You'll have to limit yourself to Fifth Age quests. Except Ritual of the Mahjarrat. The Mahjarrat are just as taboo as the Sixth Age.

As for this theory, while Hero's Welcome wasn't out at the time this was presented, I could suggest that Kalibath was responsible for leading the charge against Saranthium. A point that was raised is that it seemed odd for the Dragonkin to target Saranthium of all places. Kalibath was interrogating a White Knight, and his journal shows that he's interested in finding Saradomin's flaw. I wouldn't be surprised if Kalibath's grudge against Saradomin went that far back.

Lord Drakan said :
I think Paul's fairly good in that regard. ;) Better than Sliske anyway, he's the most out-of-character character atm. Apart from perhaps Nomad.


To be fair, keeping Sliske and Nomad "in character" would have just left us with really boring villains. The Dragonkin are secondary to the Stone of Jas story anyway, and Sliske's Endgame is supposed to end that story. Before anyone says that Ritual of the Mahjarrat already ended it, it didn't. Our teleportation at the end of the quest was just "Why don't we just take the Stone and push it somewhere else?" It's delaying the story.

Even if you think Sliske is just Lucien 2.0, Missing, Presumed Death made a point with Zemouregal. Zamorak ascended, Lucien tried it, Sliske (presumably) had done it as well, so Zemouregal thought it was a habit. Lucien himself was just rehashing what Zamorak did. Sliske is just opening up that ascension method to everyone else. The more False Users there are, the bigger chances we have of getting the Dragonkin to appear.

Also Nomad was just a JRPG-style Disc One Final Boss who even in Requiem was Lucien Lite. His character was and still is a self-righteous wannabe.

28-Jan-2016 15:50:43

Balustan

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Runes Rath said :
Balustan said :
Nowhere was it ever said the Zamorakians and Saradominists were in an Alliance. They simply may have been attacking at the same time possibly from very different angles given the size of Senntisten. Wahi tried to focus their attention on each other but again not necessarily an Alliance. I find it hard to believe the Alliance would have lasted anyway given the Zarosians abandoned the city and so they would have fought over it anyway.


I'm pretty sure several quests and Azzanadra have stated that Saradomin and Zamorak had a very, very tentative alliance that existed solely for the purpose of destroying whatever remained of Zaros's empire. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can even ask Zaros a little about this yourself. I'll take a trek to Freneskae and see what he says.

Anyways, in DAT: There's even a cutscene in Forinthry when Zamorak is being confronted by Armadyl, Saradomin and Bandos just before Zamorak unleashes the Stone's power and creates the Wilderness and awakens Guthix. Zamorak pretty much says, "You stabbed me as soon as your knife could find my back," or something along those lines.

So I'm fairly sure it's cannon that they had a (weak) alliance for the sake of plundering and erasing Zaros's ancient empire. It obviously didn't last, but it existed.


I'm not saying they weren't but for that particular point in history they may or may not have been in an Alliance. Given the city becomes Zamorakian and then the Saradominists burn it to the ground fairly soon after if we go by coin dates.

I'm not sure they had any Alliance beyond against Nex. Same target though but that he were also fighting each other throughout. Hard to say we don't have a lot of details.
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