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Robo Hobo

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It was confirmed with the rotm faq that the place satadomin hid the soj was in the fist of guthix area, before it had anything to do with guthix You can only fully appreciate a story when you experience it through the eyes of one of its characters.

13-Jul-2014 08:27:01

Lord Drakan
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Robo Hobo said :
Ninja'd, also ty, I think I spell pretty goof with this all things considered.

Pretty goofy indeed. ;) Also, wasn't RotM dialogue + location of the cutscene sufficient, really?

Saradomin: Zilyana, behold the Eye of Saradomin, an artifact that has supplemented my powers immensely. I have kept it hidden, but it was the only way to save your life. Now you know my greatest secret.

Commander Zilyana: I... I am deeply honoured, my Lord. Do any others know of this?

Saradomin: Zamorak knows. He wants it for himself. This is the real reason he's returned from his banishment and started this horrific war.

Commander Zilyana: But how can he know of your secret?

Saradomin: Because it's what he used to attain his godhood. After his banishment, I confiscated the artefact and hid it here. Such power cannot lay within the hands of chaos.
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13-Jul-2014 08:36:37

Solanumtinkr

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So no real reason other than because it was there? Are you sure the Stone of Jas was never housed there or nearby, even if back in the Zarosian days? While they would not have found the SoJ there they could have detected something that attracted them to that site. Such artefacts were not typically hidden away from the public by Zaros as he had no interest in them.

Even on Mos Le'Harmless the Dragonkin's jaunt there was suggested to be them looking for us. If so then even in the rage inducing condition sites can be picked by reasoning rather than instinct. Though if they knew Saradomin had the Stone of Jas at that time or before, they could have chosen Saranthium solely due to that name.

Though if the Dragonkin in the WGS sleep cutscene and Lucien can be beleived then most Mahjarrat want to make slaves of us all, except those who just want to kill us all. Though I suspect that after all these centuries some would have given up on all of that as a bad and impractical idea :P
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13-Jul-2014 08:51:01 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2014 08:53:27 by Solanumtinkr

Dionysius
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^^ Back on topic,


I would imagine that the Dragonkin did destroy the city in their rage following the banishment of all the gods with the Edicts, since it would have been an enormously easier target without any of the gods protecting it.

As to why the Dragonkin would destroy the city? According to your timeline, it was inhabited by Zamorakians before being razed to the ground and rebuilt by Saradominists, Zamorak and Saradomin were two of the major abusers of the power of the Stone of Jas, it would make sense for the Dragonkin to deliberately target areas that "belong" to these two deities in particular.
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13-Jul-2014 10:46:47

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Honestly I find it easier to believe that the city was destroyed by either goblins or Zemouregal taking advantage of a population no longer supported by the provisions of a god wars' campaign.

The kin simply had no reason to attack it.

By the way, where do those numbers of the timeline come from? If I remember right Azzanadra's dialog suggests the zarosian city fell much earlier than the end of the god wars - in like a millennium or so.

13-Jul-2014 13:24:20 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2014 13:26:58 by Pupppy

Lord Drakan
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Pupppy said :

By the way, where do those numbers of the timeline come from? If I remember right Azzanadra's dialog suggests the zarosian city fell much earlier than the end of the god wars - in like a millennium or so.

Varrock Museum, ground floor. Senntisten was definitely the last Zarosian fortress to fall, Ghorrock aside. Azzanadra himself resided there for much of the wars, trying to make contact with Zaros, until he was imprisoned.

The kin did have a reason to attack it: they were enraged and attacking settlements en masse. That much we know - no reason Saranthium couldn't have been one of these targets.
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13-Jul-2014 13:35:33

Wahisietel
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The Kin attacked Saranthium for the same reason they attacked pretty much any other settlement, including Mos Le Harmless in ROTM: Because they wanted to quell their rage at the stone being used. Destruction eases the pain. Remember that the Dragonkin's rise in activity happened directly after ZimZam used the Stone of Jas to nuke Forinthry, and that would have made them VERY VERY angry, and also very very strong.

The dragonkin DO NOT NEED a reason to attack things besides "they mad", this is pretty much explictly stated in ROTM. Hell, they even say they plan to continue their attacks after Lucien is killed, because they're still very mad and empowered about the use of the stone. This is why they are still a threat, even though Sliske has the stone and is using it rather conservatively.

The SOJ being stored in the Fist of Guthix cave by Saradomin is fairly obvious from the quest alone, it is clearly the Fist of Guthix cave in the cutscene, you can even see the four houses in the distance.

(Off topic: Sadly V------- finding the SOJ in the Lunar Isle Rune Essence cave in WGS isn't quite as obvious due it using a different layout for some reason, but the crack in the wall he emerges from is the same object (with the same examine text and right click options) as the one that leads to Cyrisus, and all the cave kit is the same.)
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13-Jul-2014 16:07:33 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2014 16:13:09 by Wahisietel

Crondis

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I like the idea of the Dragonkin destroying Saranthium.

We know Saradomin was using the Stone in the Third Age, so this could easily be the Dragonkin's way of getting back at Saradomin.

Nice theory :)
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13-Jul-2014 21:58:31

Half Centaur
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I thought there was evidence for Zamorakians or some other party destroying Saranthium, but I'm probably mistaken, considering I don't remember where it was...


I love this idea though, hope its referenced in the future with more Dragonkin quests.
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14-Jul-2014 19:02:35

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