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Chaos Lupus
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Wahisietel said :
I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
The quest itself is already required, obviously. No point in making people go back and go through an extra boss battle just for the hell of it. Nomad has already been canonically defeated, unless defeating him again gives us access to more content or lore, it's entirely unnecessary.
It gives access to a new cape
. Assuming it's a 100% drop for the first kill, it's pretty much the same as killing Dawn again for the Dulcin armour override.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?
Wahisietel said :
I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
The quest itself is already required, obviously. No point in making people go back and go through an extra boss battle just for the hell of it. Nomad has already been canonically defeated, unless defeating him again gives us access to more content or lore, it's entirely unnecessary.
It gives access to a new cape
. Assuming it's a 100% drop for the first kill, it's pretty much the same as killing Dawn again for the Dulcin armour override.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?
08-Sep-2016 14:47:32
Wahisietel
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I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
okay, i'm not maxed or anything like that, i don't have any good gear, i'm not good at bossing, but come on! Wouldn't you call Nomad from Nomad's Elegy a hard boss?
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
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08-Sep-2016 14:51:33 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2016 14:51:48 by Lynxlynx
Lynxlynx
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If I was able to beat him with barely any effort when I was just using tetsu and drygores and a yak full of Rocktails, then no, he wasn't a hard boss. I didn't even avoid any of his specials.
But it's been a long time since the original pre-EOC Nomad fight, and those of us who did it are naturally stronger than we used to be. And I think having a post-quest actual challenge for the master quest cape would be acceptable.
Keep in mind the other master quest cape requirements already give you close to max combat stats and a free set of T85 gear, so anyone actually eligible should be well equipped to deal with him. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?
okay, i'm not maxed or anything like that, i don't have any good gear, i'm not good at bossing, but come on! Wouldn't you call Nomad from Nomad's Elegy a hard boss?
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
If I was able to beat him with barely any effort when I was just using tetsu and drygores and a yak full of Rocktails, then no, he wasn't a hard boss. I didn't even avoid any of his specials.
But it's been a long time since the original pre-EOC Nomad fight, and those of us who did it are naturally stronger than we used to be. And I think having a post-quest actual challenge for the master quest cape would be acceptable.
Keep in mind the other master quest cape requirements already give you close to max combat stats and a free set of T85 gear, so anyone actually eligible should be well equipped to deal with him. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?
08-Sep-2016 14:57:50 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2016 15:02:02 by Wahisietel
Wahisietel
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Chaos Lupus said :
Wahisietel said :
I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
The quest itself is already required, obviously. No point in making people go back and go through an extra boss battle just for the hell of it. Nomad has already been canonically defeated, unless defeating him again gives us access to more content or lore, it's entirely unnecessary.
It gives access to a new cape
. Assuming it's a 100% drop for the first kill, it's pretty much the same as killing Dawn again for the Dulcin armour override.
Not what I meant by access to more content. Defeating Dawn again shouldn't be required either (and you already have Dulcin's armor from the quest anyway, you just unlock an override).
Chaos Lupus said :
Wahisietel said :
I don't get why people argue that a harder version of the most iconic quest boss of all time shouldn't be on the cape.
Quests are not just story, they are also gameplay, and the original Nomad fight is one of the most iconic pieces of quest gameplay in the game. For many of us, pre-EOC Nomad's Requiem was our final challenge before we obtained the original quest cape.
After EOC made him a joke, we've not really had anything close to the difficulty Nomad was back then, and when things DID approach that difficulty, they got nerfed (TokHaar-Hok, Grimsson/Hreidmar).
We're obviously never going to get a tough boss required for the quest cape again, but now we have an opportunity to give the master cape something to rival the original, pre-eoc Nomad in terms of difficulty. As questers, we should embrace this. The master cape should be more than a grinding and RNG cape, there should be some actual challenge involved, just like the original quest cape.
The quest itself is already required, obviously. No point in making people go back and go through an extra boss battle just for the hell of it. Nomad has already been canonically defeated, unless defeating him again gives us access to more content or lore, it's entirely unnecessary.
It gives access to a new cape
. Assuming it's a 100% drop for the first kill, it's pretty much the same as killing Dawn again for the Dulcin armour override.
Not what I meant by access to more content. Defeating Dawn again shouldn't be required either (and you already have Dulcin's armor from the quest anyway, you just unlock an override).
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08-Sep-2016 16:07:37
Wahisietel
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Lynxlynx said :
If I was able to beat him with barely any effort when I was just using tetsu and drygores and a yak full of Rocktails, then no, he wasn't a hard boss. I didn't even avoid any of his specials.
But it's been a long time since the original pre-EOC Nomad fight, and those of us who did it are naturally stronger than we used to be. And I think having a post-quest actual challenge for the master quest cape would be acceptable.
Keep in mind the other master quest cape requirements already give you close to max combat stats and a free set of T85 gear, so anyone actually eligible should be well equipped to deal with him.
That's difficult to the vast majority of players. Most people don't have the free time to invest into getting tetsu and drygores.
Lynxlynx said :
okay, i'm not maxed or anything like that, i don't have any good gear, i'm not good at bossing, but come on! Wouldn't you call Nomad from Nomad's Elegy a hard boss?
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
Sorry Wahi, usually I agree with you, but not this time
If I was able to beat him with barely any effort when I was just using tetsu and drygores and a yak full of Rocktails, then no, he wasn't a hard boss. I didn't even avoid any of his specials.
But it's been a long time since the original pre-EOC Nomad fight, and those of us who did it are naturally stronger than we used to be. And I think having a post-quest actual challenge for the master quest cape would be acceptable.
Keep in mind the other master quest cape requirements already give you close to max combat stats and a free set of T85 gear, so anyone actually eligible should be well equipped to deal with him.
That's difficult to the vast majority of players. Most people don't have the free time to invest into getting tetsu and drygores.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
08-Sep-2016 16:10:47
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